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Am I an "incompetent" bass player?

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You are able to play roots in rhythm with a decent tone, you know a bunch of songs, and you are in a band that gigs. Congratulations, that's awesome! That is a great place from which you can build.

So, you only play roots. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, although it is not how I want to play (or for the most part, listen to). There are many great bassists that play simply. But, do you play simply because you choose to, or because you are unable to do anything else? The challenge is to play what sounds best. Not to play the absolute minimum. Sometimes those two things are the same, and sometimes they are not.

In the video you posted, the band sounds fine. You sound fine. In my humble opinion and for my taste, if you tastefully did bit more (rhythmically and harmonically/melodically, a fill here and there), you could add some excitement to the groove and feel. Do you feel you want to do that? If you do, you are not as competent as you should be. Ideally we should know enough to express the sounds that are in our heads and hearts. If what you hear when you imagine the best bass line is quarter note roots, then that is what you should play. If imagining yourself playing your best sounds different in your head, then you should learning enough that you can produce externally what you imagine internally.

That's my bar for competence. Higher than "you don't get fired", but lower than "the audience bows down to you". If you don't know any theory but can play everything you ever want, that's great. Very few of us are that pure. I'd say start with learning to use octaves and fifths.

I would start thinking in shapes on the fretboard.

An octave is a note that has the same name as the root, but is higher (by 12 half steps) or lower (again by 12 half steps). If you play a C on the 3rd fret of the A string, the higher octave is the C on the 5th fret of the G string. That note can be used interchangeably with the lower octave. I generally play the root with my first finger, and play the high octave with my pinky. Remember that shape. You can use it on any note.

The 5th is the note 7 half-steps above or 5 half-steps below the root (those are the same note, an octave apart). If you play the C on the 3rd fret of the A string, the 5th down is the G on the 3rd fret of the E string. The 5th up is the G on the 5th fret of the D string.

In general the most used notes to add are a 5th down(same fret, one string lower, meaning thicker), and an octave up (two frets higher, two strings higher).

If you listen to country music or a lot of early rock, the bassist plays what is called a root-five line, which usually means alternating between the root and a 5th down. Generally you want to start each chord with the root, but try experimenting with a few 5ths or root octaves during the bar.

I would try this stuff out on your own, with the radio or Spotify or something. When it feels pretty good, try it (sparingly) with the band. At some point it will click, and you will be able to use it whenever you want that sound.

A few lessons with teacher would be a huge help to get you jump-started.
Personally, I strive to be a bit more "competent" each day, no matter how tiny the difference. And usually, it is really really tiny. :)
 
I saw on another thread that a bass player who plays "root notes" is incompetent. I've been playing 3 years in 2 bands and I play root notes because that's what I know how to do. I'm kind of down about this right now and don't know what I can do to become competent.

Played root notes for 40 years...is worth about $100 million. I wish I was that incompetent.

 
Lots of good opinions above my humble entry. Without reading all of them, I'll toss in my pennies. I'm 40 and have been playing a year and a half. I've played in a church's worship team for about 9 months, and my first non-church gig is this Friday. I've responded to a posting for a local metal band, and I withdrew my name because I honestly do not think I'm where I want to be when I audition, but I fully intend to be before this year's end. I'm dipping into theory now, doing some coursework at Scott's online academy, and learning songs with basslines that grab me as I listen to music in my travels.



I also have 4 kids, a law practice, I drive 50k miles a year for work, and everyday is a roulette wheel of possible schedule changes. I find a way to make it work because this hobby has got me. I'm past the curious dabbler stage. I'm very serious and intend do this in whatever capacity I can for the rest of my days. If you've been playing this long, I'd say you're also beyond the threshhold. If so, spend less time here and more time on your instrument with some form of reliable instruction in front of you. I really like what I'm using: I've tried personal instruction but my rural location and unrelenting court trips made it difficult to meet consistently. I can go online and work at my own pace, and if I have to watch something a dozen times before I understand, so be it.

That you've played in any sort of band this long should inspire you with at least some level of confidence that you have the ability to learn more. You have time, you're not dead yet, and if you are enjoying yourself, you're much better off playing simple stuff with a smile than being miserable in a quest to meet the expectations of anyone apart from yourself and the musicians who rely on you.
While I'm a transactional guy, not a litigator, I sooooo get what you're saying. It's a challenge and it's worth it.
 
It took me 44 years to start playing. I don't know how much time there is left for me to do this and have fun. So I want to know how to do it the right way if I'm doing it wrong. Because I honestly don't know if what I'm doing is wrong or not.

You are doing nothing wrong. You don't have to play a million notes to be a good bassist. As you get more time on the instrument you will hear more in your head and apply it to your playing. You must be doing something right. You're in two bands aren't you? If you are concerned about your growth on the instrument seek out material that will help you, the internet is an amazing resource that didn't exist when I started. Take advantage of it. The wiki here has alot of info and there are literally thousands of bassists here at your disposal that will help if you have questions. Learning this or anything is a lifelong journey, keep going and enjoy the ride!
 
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1. As an incompetent, but mostly unapologetic, forum user I have not read the whole thread before posting.

2. I was a self-taught guitar player for most of my life before taking up bass in my early 40s. By "taking up bass" I mean I was in a multiple-years creative slump, picked up a cheap used bass on a whim one day and began noodling around on it at home in my spare time for a few years. Told myself I was going to "learn bass right" this time around, whatever that means, but...

3. ...what actually happened was I noodled along with recorded music, bought and flipped a couple of amps, and then one day got invited over to jam with a guitar player friend of mine and a drummer he knew. Boom. I could get around on the instrument enough to keep up with those guys and it was a blast.

4. I am no more "right" in my bass-learning approach than I ever was. As Ferris Bueller once said, "Never had a lesson!" Sure, that limits my vocabulary and how fast I learn, and I may take lessons at some point...but as a bass player from a former band I was in told me once, "don't stress out about lessons; find some guys to jam with and just play the damn thing." I guess what I picked up as a guitar player over the years gives me an advantage as far as learning things by ear goes, and where notes are on the neck, and a little music theory pertaining to what notes are in various chords. But, don't get bummed about being incompetent. Listen to everything you can stand to listen to, listen to what other bassists do in songs, figure out how to do what sounds good to you and incorporate it into your vocabulary as best you can. And do what you can to keep it fun!
 
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in·com·pe·tent
/inˈkämpədənt/
adjective
  1. not having or showing the necessary skills to do something successfully.
If you can do service to the song, then, for that song, you are competent. The next one is a different ball game. That's what makes playing an instrument a life-long pursuit...
 
If you only play root notes and can't play anything else, I probably wouldn't call you incompetent but I'd say you have growth opportunities. My advice would be to get some lessons from a good player that's also a good teacher. That will be your quickest path to growth.
 
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I saw on another thread that a bass player who plays "root notes" is incompetent. I've been playing 3 years in 2 bands and I play root notes because that's what I know how to do. I'm kind of down about this right now and don't know what I can do to become competent.
There's nothing wrong with any notes as long as they provide the correct feel or picture you're after. In high school I was more of a lead bass player full of great notes that weren't necessary for the song. Nowadays I play for the good of the band, not just myself which I deem secondary.
 
Don't let that sort of talk get you down, man. Everyone's got an opinion and so be it. Some will be positive, some will be negative. But, as others here have pointed out, are you happy? Does making your music make you happy? If so, then f**k the nay-sayers. Keep on having fun your way. As far as I know, having fun making music on a bass guitar doesn't harm anyone, so it sounds like you're having the right kind of fun.

If, however, you feel like you might be happier by learning more about the instrument and expanding your play style, then the truth is that it is never too late to learn. Anything. There is an entire galaxy of resources online which can either be obtained for free or purchased. Everything from the most beginner of beginner tutorials, all the way up through Victor Wooten-esque technical displays.

Music and the way it is played is profoundly subjective. It can mean as much or as little as you allow it to. Just like opinions. Don't give them power over you.

Keep rocking, bro! Everyone on this site is still in the learning process and we will be til we kick the bucket... and it sure is fun :)
 
I saw on another thread that a bass player who plays "root notes" is incompetent. I've been playing 3 years in 2 bands and I play root notes because that's what I know how to do. I'm kind of down about this right now and don't know what I can do to become competent.
I'm not rooted to the root but I'm never far from it.
 
TL,DR. There was a time when I felt incompetent but that was because I was getting bored playing the same notes in the pocket in the same song all the time. It was only when I started to add a couple of notes here and there to help fill ins in between the kick drum. I experimented with a few note selections and where to put them and by doing so actually helped me get outside the pocket somewhat and be a bit more creative. Just a few extra notes (not many) at the right spot works wonders for me. Again this is a long thread and might have been mention by others similar.
 
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Don't let your age bother you. I was 38 or 39 when I started, not much younger than you were. I'm 48 now. Worked on learning the above stuff and practiced regularly. Here's the latest cover from one of my bands (just put the video out today):


I'm amazed these talented people let me play with them. If I can figure out how to play this stuff, so can you. Time and attention.


Awesome sound. Love what you're up to!
 
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I'm bummed that I think now I may be "incompetent" because I can't create cool and fantastic bass lines. Hell I still have some trouble with the right notes.

I can think of many musicians who would absolutely love to have a bassist in their band who hangs close to the roots, doesn't play fancy, and nails the groove.

If you think a seemingly simple root heavy bass line is the sign of musical incompetence, check out the bass work of the late Donald "Duck" Dunn. Or Tina Weymouth. There is such a thing as that certain elegance that can be displayed by playing with precision and simplicity.

Best proof simple can work is Peter Gabriel's hit song Solsbury Hill which uses just a B, G#, and E in 7/4 all the way through.
 
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I saw on another thread that a bass player who plays "root notes" is incompetent. I've been playing 3 years in 2 bands and I play root notes because that's what I know how to do. I'm kind of down about this right now and don't know what I can do to become competent.
After 8 years of playing just for myself in my little practice space, I was right where you are now (except I wasn't playing in 2 bands). I could listen to just about anything and play the root notes and an occasional fill, but that was it. I got pretty down on myself for all the time I "wasted" and thought about giving it up. Instead, I decided to do something about it.
I contacted a local music school (pretty much a school of rock) and asked if they had any adult programs (I'm 59). When I was 14 I had taken guitar lessons but couldn't stand sitting in a little room for 30 minutes once a week playing the same thing over and over so I quit.
This school told me come in to have a look around and meet one of their teachers for a free 30 minute lesson. This "lesson" turned out to be an evaluation of my skills. The "instructor" turned out to be the musical director of this 400 student school. After a quick interview, he asked me if I could play what the band in the next studio was playing- The Pretenders Mystery Achievement. Keep in mind that I never played in front of people I didn't know, especially a song I had never played before.
Before I knew what was happening he walked me into the room, introduced me as a new student and handed me a bass. Within 5 minutes I had the bass line down and we stumbled thru my first live performance. He told me they could put me in a band that practiced once a week for 2 hours and needed a bass player. Turns out many of their adult bands need bass players.
That was a few months ago. I'm having a blast. I have progressed up to learning to incorporate different scales into my playing as well as a little bit of theory through weekly one on one lessons with my group instructor in addition to the band practice. I have played live in front of hundreds of people at some of the top clubs in NJ.
The biggest thing I learned was that knowing the root notes and keeping the rhythm was the foundation of playing in a band. Everything else is what develops your "style". Your ability to play root notes on time makes you competent, your "style" is what will ultimately make your phone ring with other projects.
Don't do what I did for 8 years. Get out of your comfort zone, find a good teacher, and challenge yourself to get better. Even if it is just a little bit better.
You're off to a good start.
 
I think this thread is refreshing. I prefer all of the good insight here to those somewhat snooty types who say stuff like "You must play root notes that correspond exactly to what the kick is doing plus passing notes should match the scoop that is going on with the hi-hat. Also you must use alternating fingering while playing perfect intervals or scales that match each chord; playing a root and fifth is not going to work. You must also use a leading passing note prior to the next root that corresponds with the next kick". :vomit:

It's true that Chuck Rainey and Steve Gadd could execute like that (and brilliantly I might add) in Steely Dan's "Kid Charlemagne", but not every song is like that. There are a lot of different styles out there.
 
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As others have said, you're playing with 2 bands, and people aren't throwing rocks at you. Keep doing what you're doing, and keep working on new things.
When I was in my early 20's and heard Stanley Clarke and Jaco Pastorius, I thought I was hopeless as a bass player. Then I realized that I was gigging all the time, and it didn't matter that I couldn't play blindingly fast bebop lines. In fact, the music I was getting paid to play would have sounded bad if I had played like that.
 
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