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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

Does anyone here pay much attention to predelay on reverb? I’ve got a hardware unit that has a knob for it but I genuinely have no idea what I’m up to when I tweak settings. It often ends up sounding more like an echo with the dry space before the wet starts. I’d love some suggestions for creative applications.

Nothing especially "creative" about this, but fwiw I'll always calculate a tempo-based delay time -- but very short, 16th note or smaller/faster -- and then decide: do I want the reverb to disappear into the rhythm (if so, leave the pre-delay locked to tempo) or do I want it more conspicuous (if so, add a few tens of milliseconds so the predelay is not locked to tempo). It's a subtle thing, but it can help make the ambience "fit" a track...the difference between tempo-locked predelay and non-locked predelay often affects feel more than "is there reverb on that thing?"

The only other atypical thing I can think of is, some reverb units I've used have a Blend control so you can bleed some signal around the predelay and directly into the reverb...so that some material isn't being (pre-)delayed at all, just goes straight into the room/plate/hall. That's a handy way to obfuscate those distinct echoes. Or to create mush. :)
 
Nothing especially "creative" about this, but fwiw I'll always calculate a tempo-based delay time -- but very short, 16th note or smaller/faster -- and then decide: do I want the reverb to disappear into the rhythm (if so, leave the pre-delay locked to tempo) or do I want it more conspicuous (if so, add a few tens of milliseconds so the predelay is not locked to tempo). It's a subtle thing, but it can help make the ambience "fit" a track...the difference between tempo-locked predelay and non-locked predelay often affects feel more than "is there reverb on that thing?"

The only other atypical thing I can think of is, some reverb units I've used have a Blend control so you can bleed some signal around the predelay and directly into the reverb...so that some material isn't being (pre-)delayed at all, just goes straight into the room/plate/hall. That's a handy way to obfuscate those distinct echoes. Or to create mush. :)

Good points made. My hardware reverb has wet/dry blend and predelay. It also has a midi clock-in that can sync the reverb time or pre delay. I’ll experiment with setting the blend to wetter than usual settings and applying the predelay.
 
…discovered the benefits of clocking pre delay to get rhythmic fade-in effects. I started with sequencing 4 quarter notes and adjusting the pre-delay setting on the OTO BAM to find it has a range of subdivisions. With the pre-delay knob at noon I get 1/8th note delay with a fade in of the wet sound. Moving the knob position gives me other divisions that seem to be 1/16 and triplet based delays. This is getting fun.
 
If your predelay has feedback, there is a lot of fun to be had.

@ugly very glad hear you’re done with the annoying band but the Covid is a crap going away present. I hope it’s mild.

I’m now in London. I needed some downtime this evening after two hour long cab rides in traffic plus the flight today, so I messed around with a feedback patch in AUM (with a limiter on the end, I’m not insane). Pretty fun but tiny knob increments are tough on a touchscreen. Tomorrow, I will consume more AI driven music.

Also, that Moog dance video. I am speechless.
 
27009376[/URL], member: 37282"]If your predelay has feedback, there is a lot of fun to be had.

@ugly very glad hear you’re done with the annoying band but the Covid is a crap going away present. I hope it’s mild.

I’m now in London. I needed some downtime this evening after two hour long cab rides in traffic plus the flight today, so I messed around with a feedback patch in AUM (with a limiter on the end, I’m not insane). Pretty fun but tiny knob increments are tough on a touchscreen. Tomorrow, I will consume more AI driven music.

Also, that Moog dance video. I am speechless.
what programs are you running on the ipad?
just curious and looking for inspiration, I cant do crap on the ipad, user is the issue I guess.
Even praised ones like Borderlands I find very boring and might I say texturally limited.
@steubig please dont hurt me!
;)
 
This is a bit of a diversion some of you may find interesting. There once was a weird place in spacetime called the 1970s. Some of us remember it, or at least part of it, but it was a while ago and we need occasional reminders of its weirdness. For example, a dance troop performing to a piece made for a Moog modular synth. No doubt too young for the little red lights in the palms of their hands to start blinking yet, but the Sandmen will be watching.


Reminded me of an album a Junior HS friend had, I think when he got a Moog, one of the early, affordable ones, I can't remember the model but I was fascinated with it and as he wouldn't lend it to me, I found ways of going to his house when I could (his father was my dentist) -

some of this is bloops and bleeps, and at the end of the album is a rendition of Booker T and The MGs Time Is Tight, but it was the first song on this I listened to repeatedly, I liked the sounds and the chord changes. Plus the song title was interesting for a young teen.
 
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what programs are you running on the ipad?
just curious and looking for inspiration, I cant do crap on the ipad, user is the issue I guess.
Even praised ones like Borderlands I find very boring and might I say texturally limited.
@steubig please dont hurt me!
;)

oh boy i’m mad.

seriously though, i look at all the ipad sounds/apps (pretty much everything i use) as a building block that i use to create a larger whole. by themselves, they are often *not much*.

and some of them are more useful than others, anyway.
 
27011002[/URL], member: 17475"]hey

anyone have experience with an alexander syntax error 2?

i’m selling a bitmap 2 and was offered one in trade.
Was never a big fan of the Red Panda bitmap. Imo it’s the weakest RP pedal by far.

So with that being said, from what I’ve heard from the syntax, I really liked.
But I haven’t dug deep into that pedal.
Interface seems confusing with tiny screen and sub menus.
It looks cool though that’s for dang sure.
 
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I built a Zoia based skiff with a Qu Bit Bloom sequencer and an Acid Rain Chainsaw. I wanted something I could put on my small standing desk and run through headphones, so I could quickly patch up a sequence and get into spacey jams. This does that.

I had room so Aldo I bolted in a joystick controller and a wave table VCO but I have a feeling I won’t need/want them often. I might want a few right-angle cables to make button accessibility a bit more convenient. I also included a in/out module so I can plug my bass in and get it going through the Zoia.

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what programs are you running on the ipad?
just curious and looking for inspiration, I cant do crap on the ipad, user is the issue I guess.
Even praised ones like Borderlands I find very boring and might I say texturally limited.
@steubig please dont hurt me!
;)

Honestly, the most important program for me on the iPad is a boring one: AUM. It's an AUv3 host, a mixer, a MIDI router, and a simple multitrack recorder. It has a few quirks but is easy to use once you learn the basic ideas, and there's a big user community when I get stuck. I'm using it with my modular now and really liking it, though it'll be interesting to see when I get home if I can achieve equally good feedback going through analog-to-digital as I might using a matrix mixer.

What I did last night was something I'd normally do in hardware if I were near hardware, but I wasn't. In a sense, it was also nothing special. Anyway, I set up a channel in AUM with a synth drone with lots of overtones. Any VST will do. I used Volt which is a virtual analog that distorted nicely. I muted it and ran it out the send. That went to "bus A" which was on another channel with different EQs: I tried a graphic EQ in miRack which I find intuitive but fiddly (it's a port of VCV rack so a software modular), and then some resonant EQ in Drambo, which I find unintuitive but very solid and was a bit more responsive to my gestures. Then I ran it through Lunar Lander which is a simulated analog delay and plate reverb, and then out a send going to the A bus to produce feedback, that there's a limiter on the channel after all that for obvious reasons. Mix to taste. So it was nothing special but it did sound good and was fun.

In terms of actual iPad programs that I think are interesting: Koala is a great sampler but you must know it. I like iDensity for granular (Spacecraft and Quanta are tied for 2nd place, though Quanta will eventually be abandoned, I think). Fugue Machine is a fun sequencer. MIDI Tape recorder is an awesome MIDI looper that also takes MPE (attn: @steubig ). Mononoke is inspired by the Lyra-8 but is of course much less fun.

Today's concert included a guy with a fretless bass making all sorts of noises in dialogue with some kind of laptop AI system that was spitting noise out back at him. It was all sculpted but I was not particularly impressed with the AI element. I don't know what the ambient/textural "Jaco only needed 4 strings" is but I was thinking something along the lines of "@uglybassplayer only needs a SP-404, some pedals and a mixer." It was still fun to watch, I was just unconvinced by the AI talk with that one.

One person was live coding, and that set was pretty interesting and actually used machine learning and corpus analysis. The third involved cellos wired up as feedback instruments interacting with one another and a guy with a neural network based on evolutionary computing rather than big data running effects. I really liked that one since I'm thinking a lot about feedback these days. Plus check out the gear: Ingredients Again, I'm not sure the AI made an audible difference but I cared less because I was like "wow they installed a speakers in two cellos and then wired them together." Now I want to do that to a bass.

Hope you're feeling ok @ugly!
 
Honestly, the most important program for me on the iPad is a boring one: AUM. It's an AUv3 host, a mixer, a MIDI router, and a simple multitrack recorder. It has a few quirks but is easy to use once you learn the basic ideas, and there's a big user community when I get stuck. I'm using it with my modular now and really liking it, though it'll be interesting to see when I get home if I can achieve equally good feedback going through analog-to-digital as I might using a matrix mixer.

What I did last night was something I'd normally do in hardware if I were near hardware, but I wasn't. In a sense, it was also nothing special. Anyway, I set up a channel in AUM with a synth drone with lots of overtones. Any VST will do. I used Volt which is a virtual analog that distorted nicely. I muted it and ran it out the send. That went to "bus A" which was on another channel with different EQs: I tried a graphic EQ in miRack which I find intuitive but fiddly (it's a port of VCV rack so a software modular), and then some resonant EQ in Drambo, which I find unintuitive but very solid and was a bit more responsive to my gestures. Then I ran it through Lunar Lander which is a simulated analog delay and plate reverb, and then out a send going to the A bus to produce feedback, that there's a limiter on the channel after all that for obvious reasons. Mix to taste. So it was nothing special but it did sound good and was fun.

In terms of actual iPad programs that I think are interesting: Koala is a great sampler but you must know it. I like iDensity for granular (Spacecraft and Quanta are tied for 2nd place, though Quanta will eventually be abandoned, I think). Fugue Machine is a fun sequencer. MIDI Tape recorder is an awesome MIDI looper that also takes MPE (attn: @steubig ). Mononoke is inspired by the Lyra-8 but is of course much less fun.

Today's concert included a guy with a fretless bass making all sorts of noises in dialogue with some kind of laptop AI system that was spitting noise out back at him. It was all sculpted but I was not particularly impressed with the AI element. I don't know what the ambient/textural "Jaco only needed 4 strings" is but I was thinking something along the lines of "@uglybassplayer only needs a SP-404, some pedals and a mixer." It was still fun to watch, I was just unconvinced by the AI talk with that one.

One person was live coding, and that set was pretty interesting and actually used machine learning and corpus analysis. The third involved cellos wired up as feedback instruments interacting with one another and a guy with a neural network based on evolutionary computing rather than big data running effects. I really liked that one since I'm thinking a lot about feedback these days. Plus check out the gear: Ingredients Again, I'm not sure the AI made an audible difference but I cared less because I was like "wow they installed a speakers in two cellos and then wired them together." Now I want to do that to a bass.

Hope you're feeling ok @ugly!
Doing not so bad, I’ll survive.
And I’m more than honoured by that ugly only needed a SP404 thing, definitely made my day.
:)
 
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I built a Zoia based skiff with a Qu Bit Bloom sequencer and an Acid Rain Chainsaw. I wanted something I could put on my small standing desk and run through headphones, so I could quickly patch up a sequence and get into spacey jams. This does that.

I had room so Aldo I bolted in a joystick controller and a wave table VCO but I have a feeling I won’t need/want them often. I might want a few right-angle cables to make button accessibility a bit more convenient. I also included a in/out module so I can plug my bass in and get it going through the Zoia.

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these cables are made by a friend of mine.

Luigis Modular M-PAR Right Angled Eurorack Patch Cables - Package of 5 White Cables, 12 (30 cm) https://a.co/d/dXPhnmO
 
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I rarely do Black Friday sales but I exercised self-discipline (rare in my case with regards to gear), waited for the iOS effects I wanted to go on sale, and bought them. Nothing fancy, just Fabfilter's EQ and comp for utility purposes, and my preferred Eventide H9 effects so I can have them inside my iPad.

Edit: if for some reason you want and do have have a decent spring reverb AUv3, Eventide's is quite cheap right now compared to their other offerings. I think I paid 2.99 Canadian.
 
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Fighting cyber Monday urges.


Noise Engineering Versio (clocked reverb)

for some reason i thought you already had one of their effects modules? if so, you could just flash it.

I did order a Magic/Dunwich Cthulhu Fuzz. You know, for all the ambient fuzz sounds I need to make that I can’t use all my other fuzzes for.

:laugh:
 
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re: fighting Black Friday/Cyber Monday urges

I was this close to springing for a new Emerald Balor acoustic bass guitar last week...had a brief online chat with one of their web bots about shipping cost and potential customs fees, was feeling all set to pull the trigger, then decided it was still too much of an impulse buy, especially when if I really wanted to scratch the ABG itch I could just wander into the local Guitar Center and buy some POS that was maybe only a third as good as an Emerald, but 1/8th the price.

But the web bot dude sent me an email the next day saying "Hope our chat was helpful. Were you thinking of taking advantage of our Black Friday Sale?"

Foolishly I go back online, and the bass that I'd been looking at was now marked down $1,000 off! Arrggh!!!! Wut do?

So I make a deal with myself: Gonna hold off for the weekend, and if it's still at the Black Friday price today, Imma buy it.

Fortunately (?) someone with more GAS or less hesitancy to spring for impulse buys had snatched it up over the weekend. No longer available. Guess I dodged a bullet.