Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

[JES]

My current brain teaser is how to best sequence phrases that carry over from the previous bar. I’m currently working on using AC/DC’s Problem Child as an example, and the A chord/root hits on the “and” of the 4 from the previous bar and sustains across. Conceptually, I get what’s going on. In Ableton, I can set a clip to start playing at the “and” of 4 and loop back around. But with a hardware sequencer I almost need to burn a mostly empty sequence pattern of rests to get this to work. And then I’m struggling with the tie/sustain carrying over into sequence/pattern #2 where the riff/melody plays (I’m using one oscillator+VCA for bass & riff, and a second oscillator+VCA to mimic vocals).

Great exercise, and one that shows the limits of most battleship sequencers. I'd think two sequencers (like two players) staggered in timing like in your Ableton example would work better. On my Vector, you can choose where a sequence starts in a loop, so if both take 4 bars, there might be a way to adjust everything to make the "and" the one and just turn it all around. But I'm not at home ATM. I bet something like 1010s sequencer, which operates on clips like Live, could also do that.

 

[steubig]

Your old is showing

actually, *old* people (like me) would know skinny puppy.

young folks would know snarky puppy.

(and old people like me were a little tweaked that snarky kinda coopted skinny’s name…)

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

27667441[/URL], member: 17475"]actually, *old* people (like me) would know skinny puppy.

young folks would know snarky puppy.

(and old people like me were a little tweaked that snarky kinda coopted skinny’s name…)

Was more pointing towards the « senior moment » confusion rather than general music knowledge.

 

[monsterthompson]

A nice bass + reverb (OBNE BL-37) demo from Hondo

 

[steubig]

Great exercise, and one that shows the limits of most battleship sequencers. I'd think two sequencers (like two players) staggered in timing like in your Ableton example would work better. On my Vector, you can choose where a sequence starts in a loop, so if both take 4 bars, there might be a way to adjust everything to make the "and" the one and just turn it all around. But I'm not at home ATM. I bet something like 1010s sequencer, which operates on clips like Live, could also do that.

building on vector

i've used vector to have different sequences that had of beats (17 for one, 19 for another, etc.), note duration (beat 3 = 1, beat 2 = 1.5, beat 8 = .75, etc.) or different beat units (8th for one, 8th trip for another, etc.) . . . and then there's chance operations to skip beats or make durations longer, etc. i've gotten a lot phasing (and confusion ) out of doing this sort of thing.

 

[monsterthompson]

Great exercise, and one that shows the limits of most battleship sequencers. I'd think two sequencers (like two players) staggered in timing like in your Ableton example would work better. On my Vector, you can choose where a sequence starts in a loop, so if both take 4 bars, there might be a way to adjust everything to make the "and" the one and just turn it all around. But I'm not at home ATM. I bet something like 1010s sequencer, which operates on clips like Live, could also do that.

I think my first light bulb moment with sequencing issues like this came when I started studying the Static-X version of Shock Treatment. I realized they repeated a certain riff a different number of times than the original and I couldn't figure out why, until I realized the Ramones did the riff 3 or 6 times though and Static-X did it 4 or 8. It was that ah-ha moment that they were probably sequencing (or mimicking sequencing behavior).

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

@JES
Is it the stereo blooper??
I think I can safety say now that I’m the one who does the least sequencing amongst the regulars here.

I should work on that and my horrible hip hop beats.
Work is work I guess….

 

[steubig]

@JES
Is it the stereo blooper??
I think I can safety say now that I’m the one who does the least sequencing amongst the regulars here.

I should work on that and my horrible hip hop beats.
Work is work I guess….

i use sequences as small-ish components of longer pieces. if i used real sequences, my stuff would suck even more cause i’m not really good with stand-alone sequencing.

 

[JES]

Is it the stereo blooper??

There is no stereo Blooper. At least for now.

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

There is no stereo Blooper. At least for now.

You’re kidding right???!!!
That pedal is mono only, wow…

 

[monsterthompson]

You’re kidding right???!!!
That pedal is mono only, wow…

Just buy two

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

Just buy two

 

[monsterthompson]

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The Twooper. You know, like the Sloer.

 

[Spectrum]

The Twooper. You know, like the Sloer.

I think The Twooper is a song by Iron Maiden.

 

[monsterthompson]

I think The Twooper is a song by Iron Maiden.

I had that thought as I typed it

 

[JES]

You’re kidding right???!!!
That pedal is mono only, wow…

My piping hot take is that it doesn’t actually need to be in stereo. I’m sure they’ll eventually put out a stereo version.

Twooper: now avaiwable on our all new “Iron Maiden for Infants” collection.

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

My piping hot take is that it doesn’t actually need to be in stereo. I’m sure they’ll eventually put out a stereo version.

Twooper: now avaiwable on our all new “Iron Maiden for Infants” collection.

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

Was thinking of how a bird might feel in mid flight when I made these.
(Jeez it’s even more cheesy when written out…..)
Very simplistic approach and a real time « search for sound » that reflects the moment.
(Jeez that’s even more self indulgent written out…..)

 

[steubig]

radioactive alien birds

 

[JES]

radioactive alien birds

Precisely. And on the first track it sounds like birds that can do circular breathing.