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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

#3,802
steubig said:
i've found changing eq in a song to be pretty noticeable.



soundchecks in the 80s/90s in l.a. clubs:

30 minutes for drums
10 minutes each for guitar
15 minutes for singer
**one note** for bass

ugh

dunno if it's the same way.

now everything has way to much sub woofer for my taste.
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That post is pretty much spot on my friend.
My last band ( i wont name the band).....soundcheck was exactly that. I waited seated at the other end of the room while the drums and guitars where sound checked for an hour with in ear monitors. The band give me @#$% but I said thereis no way I'm standing here for 1 hour doing nothing....end of story, one bass note...Ok...good....stop!!!!!
 
#3,803
steubig said:
i've found changing eq in a song to be pretty noticeable.



soundchecks in the 80s/90s in l.a. clubs:

30 minutes for drums
10 minutes each for guitar
15 minutes for singer
**one note** for bass

ugh

dunno if it's the same way.

now everything has way to much sub woofer for my taste.
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Pretty accurate. I attribute this to the fact that a DI is pretty foolproof and they are just trying to verify that it is working properly. Also the sound of solo bass in no way indicates what it will sound like in the mix.
 
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#3,806
ugly_bassplayer said:
Link please!!!
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Huh... well now that I’m looking for it, I can’t find it! I completely stumbled across it...I think from within the CBA site or one of their blog posts. But they recently cleaned up their website, so perhaps they took it down?

And of you just Google “David Torn Chase Bliss Blooper swimming pool” you get sucked way down the rabbit hole...
 
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#3,807
Hmmm
So the Zoia MIDI output is 1/8” TRS. The EchoSystem and Reverb MIDI Inputs are 1/4” TRS.

The Boredbrain Terminal “half normal” design allows for patching signal copies, and it operates with TRS jacks. I’m wondering if I can use it to make a passive MIDI splitter to control the Reverb and Echo pedals without needing to run the Zoia output through a powered MIDI splitter box...
Guess I’ll find out soon.
 
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#3,809
monsterthompson said:
Hmmm
So the Zoia MIDI output is 1/8” TRS. The EchoSystem and Reverb MIDI Inputs are 1/4” TRS.

The Boredbrain Terminal “half normal” design allows for patching signal copies, and it operates with TRS jacks. I’m wondering if I can use it to make a passive MIDI splitter to control the Reverb and Echo pedals without needing to run the Zoia output through a powered MIDI splitter box...
Guess I’ll find out soon.
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You're gonna make me sell a kidney for a Zoia if you keep this up.

;)
 
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#3,814
I do and don’t agree...
I had an issue with my pedalboard once and I said fine I’ll just plug straight in... the soundman told me to fix it cos he likes when effects can work... that and most of them will give me a minute to stomp on things to see how it can work in the mix on their end *shrug* stuff I use makes an impact though, difference between Overdrive and fuzz or a wah should be apparent yeah?

agree though I’ve had my share of crap pedal sounds sometimes though... Interesting ones were the aftershock and the iron ether reverb... both I thought was cool and live all it did was make me sound as though I had turned off my bass... hated that the aftershock was far too nuanced to try and fix live in a jiffy it turned me off using it for the rest of the gig.. at least analog pedals you can turn a knob knowing it will affect all the parameters there and then.
 
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#3,815
theunknowndude said:
I do and don’t agree...
I had an issue with my pedalboard once and I said fine I’ll just plug straight in... the soundman told me to fix it cos he likes when effects can work... that and most of them will give me a minute to stomp on things to see how it can work in the mix on their end *shrug* stuff I use makes an impact though, difference between Overdrive and fuzz or a wah should be apparent yeah?

agree though I’ve had my share of crap pedal sounds sometimes though... Interesting ones were the aftershock and the iron ether reverb... both I thought was cool and live all it did was make me sound as though I had turned off my bass... hated that the aftershock was far too nuanced to try and fix live in a jiffy it turned me off using it for the rest of the gig.. at least analog pedals you can turn a knob knowing it will affect all the parameters there and then.
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Exactly why I hate pedals you need a computer to edit. Sound check is wayyyy to late to tweak that preset.

Edit...unless its a C4....that apparently makes good coffee between sets....

:D
 
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#3,816
lordradish said:
They don't. I have that pedal as the main clock for my board. It's awesome, but no MTC.
The clock and sync thing is still apparently a dilemma to overcome, because they're completely different. I'm trying to resolve this, myself, as my DAW and MPC live do MTC. The synths are all clock. The MPC also does clock, and since that's the brain of my synths, I go with clock, which means no DAW sync.

There is a company that is supposedly working on a device to address this, but the product's still in development. Can't remember the company, though.
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Cool. Can you explain what "MTC", "MPC", "clock" and "sync" mean, please?

I have MIDI gear and I have hardware gear (I don't do software) such as Korg Volca synths and an Arturia Microbrute that just use what I think is called a "sync" signal, and I am trying to get them to sync up with each other for timing, but I don't know any of this language, and to make it worse everyone online uses acronyms or contractions because it is assumed that we all know this stuff. I have literally zero friends to explain this stuff to me.

I learn a lot from info online, but it blows my mind that there seems to be no simple way to get these devices in time with each other. At least, not one I can easily do a search on.
 
#3,817
Spectrum said:
Cool. Can you explain what "MTC", "MPC", "clock" and "sync" mean, please?

I have MIDI gear and I have hardware gear (I don't do software) such as Korg Volca synths and an Arturia Microbrute that just use what I think is called a "sync" signal, and I am trying to get them to sync up with each other for timing, but I don't know any of this language, and to make it worse everyone online uses acronyms or contractions because it is assumed that we all know this stuff. I have literally zero friends to explain this stuff to me.

I learn a lot from info online, but it blows my mind that there seems to be no simple way to get these devices in time with each other. At least, not one I can easily do a search on.
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Sure, be happy to. MTC is MIDI TIME CODE, I don't understand the science behind it, but as I do, it's essentially a different protocol than MIDI CLOCK.

MPC is my Akai MPC Live, my sequencer.

Sync is pretty broad. It generally, to me, means that your synth, daws, etc, all are synchronized to the same BPM and start and stop at the same time. And that's either done by using MTC or Midi clock. There's one 'master' that sends out the sync data, and the rest of the devices are 'slaves' to that code. MTC measures it in minutes and seconds, clock measures it in beats and measures.

Hope that makes sense, but if it doesn't, here's a link to explain it in more detail. Glad to help.
[This invalid link has been removed]
 
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#3,818
About sound checks: with my rock band I often use no effects, but I like to use the Ric-o-Sound feature of my Rickenbacker 4003 bass to run each pickup to a separate amplifier.

My "bass" amp has a DI out on the back, so easy peasy. This is my clean low end.

My "treble" amp is a small guitar tube head into a bass cab, and it has no DI out so it needs to be mic'd up. This is where I get my overdrive sound from.

Some sound guys are okay with this; it's really no different than having another guitar amp on stage. But I have run across a few who throw an absolute fit when see it and refuse to do it. If I don't bring my Darkglass b3k, I am now stuck playing with no overdrive.

On some gigs, I do bring my pedalboard, because some of our songs need weird bass effects, and (usually the same kind of) sound guys hate that too. You're just a bass player, and they "know" what bass is supposed to sound like, no matter how your band arranges its music or its sound. However, as long as it's through a single DI I still get away with it.
 
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#3,819
lordradish said:
Sure, be happy to. MTC is MIDI TIME CODE, I don't understand the science behind it, but as I do, it's essentially a different protocol than MIDI CLOCK.

MPC is my Akai MPC Live, my sequencer.

Sync is pretty broad. It generally, to me, means that your synth, daws, etc, all are synchronized to the same BPM and start and stop at the same time. And that's either done by using MTC or Midi clock. There's one 'master' that sends out the sync data, and the rest of the devices are 'slaves' to that code. MTC measures it in minutes and seconds, clock measures it in beats and measures.

Hope that makes sense, but if it doesn't, here's a link to explain it in more detail. Glad to help.
[This invalid link has been removed]
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Thanks. The Volca synths use a sync signal that, as far as I can tell, is just a square wave pulse. My Moog Mother 32 can accept this same sync signal if you configure it appropriately. The Moogs also accept a MIDI signal via 5-pin DIN jack.

I have a Digitech Sdrum pedal that has an 1/8" jack that outputs some kind of MIDI timing signal, which from reading that link sounds like it is MIDI clock. Using an adaptor I can use the pedal to sync up with my Moogs, which is cool because the Mother 32's tempo knob then becomes a clock divider, a really cool feature.

The trick is to figure out how to sync other, non-MIDI gear to this.

Nothing is ever easy with this stuff, but I guess solving these problems is part of the fun?
 

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