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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

#3,921
ugly_bassplayer said:
My 2 cents...
Never record and mix at the same time. Get a good gain structure...then mix

But you probably already know that shizzle
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Crap, I usually start with perfect gain structure, then master, then mix and then record...watched a YouTube video explaining it
 
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dukeorock said:
Crap, I usually start with perfect gain structure, then master, then mix and then record...watched a YouTube video explaining it
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Dude..thats genius. Master before recording....gotta remember that one.....

YouTube has it all.

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Edit: This would definitely would have saved my sanity, cuz I sold all my mic’s and recording gear a while back because I hated mixing bands. Couldn’t stand the constant nagging and bickering.........and non stop tweaking of 2 dB here, .005 more compression here, more delay on the cowbell.......

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#3,923
ugly_bassplayer said:
My 2 cents...
Never record and mix at the same time. Get a good gain structure...then mix

But you probably already know that shizzle
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I found bouncing to stems then mixing from there was a big step forward.

I’ve bribed a pro musician friend to pop by and drop some knowledge. Gonna get his ears on it and pick his brains.

I’ve popped out a few tracks that sounded “good” at home, but much different in the car and on another system. I’m trying to sort out what I’m not hearing on my headphones and home monitoring speakers that is translating to a mushy mix.

Just the act of mapping out the session file so I could explain it to him made me realize what a few main problem areas were. It’s funny how the editor ears and the creator ears aren’t the same ears.
 
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monsterthompson said:
I found bouncing to stems then mixing from there was a big step forward.

I’ve bribed a pro musician friend to pop by and drop some knowledge. Gonna get his ears on it and pick his brains.

I’ve popped out a few tracks that sounded “good” at home, but much different in the car and on another system. I’m trying to sort out what I’m not hearing on my headphones and home monitoring speakers that is translating to a mushy mix.

Just the act of mapping out the session file so I could explain it to him made me realize what a few main problem areas were. It’s funny how the editor ears and the creator ears aren’t the same ears.
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I’m not the best, ok....I suck at this thing .....but get a mono output box to hear the mix. If I could get something out of that, i know I’m getting somewhere.
 
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I worked in a studio for a 'world music' record company, as the engineer. I hated mixing. Either I'd be recording/mixing exotic instruments I'd never heard before, or I'd be taking the unmixed stuff recorded in another country with inferior equipment, try to clean it up, and then mix it. I absolutely hate that part of the music process. It bores the crap out of me, it's tedious. I'd much rather work with an engineer who knows this stuff, intuitively. There's certainly an art to it.

Actually, though, mixing ambient music is not nearly as easy as what it seems, as spatial issues matter a lot more. Robert Rich has a lot to say about this over on his website, I'd made a cheatsheat of his best points, if I can find it, I'll share.
 
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lordradish said:
I worked in a studio for a 'world music' record company, as the engineer. I hated mixing. Either I'd be recording/mixing exotic instruments I'd never heard before, or I'd be taking the unmixed stuff recorded in another country with inferior equipment, try to clean it up, and then mix it. I absolutely hate that part of the music process. It bores the crap out of me, it's tedious. I'd much rather work with an engineer who knows this stuff, intuitively. There's certainly an art to it.

Actually, though, mixing ambient music is not nearly as easy as what it seems, as spatial issues matter a lot more. Robert Rich has a lot to say about this over on his website, I'd made a cheatsheat of his best points, if I can find it, I'll share.
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I think you bulimic.....you can read my mind.

(Sorry stoopid Zoolander quote)
 
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hieronymous said:
Wanted to make a quick post - I've been following this thread for a while (at least a year?) but never posted. Thank you for turning me on to Squarepusher - watched the interview from the BBC posted several pages back, randomly grabbed a CD (Budakhan Mindphone) and became obsessed with Iambic 5 Poetry. Also got turned on to Carbon Based Lifeforms.

Most of my music is bass, drums & analog synths. I got into Moog stuff about 18 years ago, never really got beyond monophonic Moog. Would love to be able to do something combining just bass & electronics so that I wouldn't need a drummer, but still haven't made it happen - partly why I keep an eye out here! I was trying to think of any recordings I have to share here that fit the topic, and this is the only thing I came up with - I did a remix for a French noise band called .cut - never heard the original, just the individual tracks they provided for the remix. The Soundcloud page has a link to the remix album on Bandcamp if you want to listen to some of the other reimaginings:



Thanks for pushing the envelope here!
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Check out Go Plastic, far and away the most accessible (for a reason) squarepusher. To me, this is where I'd love to get musically. Interesting, complex, layered, something for the casual listener as well as the deep listener.

 
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ugly_bassplayer said:
I come back often to this album. It always floors me how musical and magical it is.
Pure genius sound manipulation
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That was terrific!

Just scored a very clean Limited Edition of Aphex Twin “Selected Ambient Works-‘85-‘92” on double vinyl. Nice, Sunday morning music
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ugly_bassplayer said:
Awesome.
Over the years I tend to prefer vol 2 more. But first one was the atomic bomb back then.
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I’m finding it a nice trip down memory lane :)
I think RDJ’s best music has been somewhat recent. The Collapse EP is amazing. Drukqs is another favorite
 
#3,937
dukeorock said:
Solid choices. I think the Collapse EP might be my ‘favorite.’ It’s like a ‘catchy’ version of Autechre :)
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Ok, now Autechre....for me, they can do no wrong. I like literally everything they’ve ever done.
Yes, I 100% admit I’m fanboy biased and then some.

IMO the epitome of something....hahaha

I’m kinda scared to know how many times I’ve listened to Tri Repetae/
 
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ugly_bassplayer said:
Ok, now Autechre....for me, they can do no wrong. I like literally everything they’ve ever done.
Yes, I 100% admit I’m fanboy biased and then some.

IMO the epitome of something....hahaha

I’m kinda scared to know how many times I’ve listened to Tri Repetae/
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Love Autechre! Can’t listen to em when the lil’ lady is around. My own music is tough enough for her to listen to :)
 
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dukeorock said:
Love Autechre! Can’t listen to em when the lil’ lady is around. My own music is tough enough for her to listen to :)
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My lady can't stand alot of my weird noise experimental stuff. Autechre is the tip if the iceberg. I get "you are clearly not normal" look when I spin some Merzbow, Deathpile ,Stockhausen, Varese.....and so on......late Coltrane....ornette.....david s ware
:laugh:

Headphones!!!!!!!
 
#3,940
ugly_bassplayer said:
I come back often to this album.
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That concept of returning to an album reminded me of this one: A Huge And Silent Place by Ozma. When I'm in the mood for something electronic that can sort of function like "ambient" music but that also rewards deep, attentive listening, I almost always reach for this disc.

 
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