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#9,861
ugly_bassplayer said:
he actually explains it quite well.
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That’s why I posted it. The graphics used, including the overlays, were pretty impressive. They weren’t flashy, but very effective. I mean, I don’t love the quick cuts and explosions, but the line drawings were clean and clear.

The Ableton Operator example was what impressed me as a tool for showing overtones. My ears don’t hear overtones very well, so it was an interesting way to dissect them.

And there was even a bass guitar!
 
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hieronymous said:
I like this guy - first video I saw was his review of the Moog Subharmonicon, then I've watched some other ones too, like the intro to modular synths and one on songwriting/production. It's got the kind of hyper cutting that the youngsters go for but also seems backed up by actual knowledge and experience - what a concept!
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I also dig Andrew's videos. I have to be in the right mood for them, but comparing him to most other youtubers, he seems to actually make music. Most youtubers are hard to stand because youtube pushes them to be a certain way if you want to be recommended in their algorithm, this is why so many have jumped ship in favor of twitch. Youtube creators in general are hard to stomach if you aren't feeling bubbly and happy.
 
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cosmicevan said:
Youtube creators in general are hard to stomach if you aren't feeling bubbly and happy.
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Man. It ain’t easy to get started. Maybe it’s easier as you go. I tried making a short clip to demo some stuff. No talking, just pushing play changing a few settings. It was hard to get the angle right, avoid background noises, light it, etc.

Rick Beato has a great IG set of tutorials. He’s not overly hyped. He tells you what he’s doing. Gives a spot on example, then says “like that.” Now, he’s doing stuff way over my head, theory-wise. While I can recognize what he’s talking about, I can’t apply it in the real world. Still, his delivery is solid, even on his longer YT videos.

I think the silent presenters can benefit from not showing faces and personality. I’d rather watch Mr. Ex or Knobs than someone like Devon Blue Whitaker. I don’t necessarily like what Mr. Ex does but I like how he does it. They each made choices and have styles, which I can respect. I’ll gravitate to the ones I like.
 
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monsterthompson said:
Man. It ain’t easy to get started. Maybe it’s easier as you go. I tried making a short clip to demo some stuff. No talking, just pushing play changing a few settings. It was hard to get the angle right, avoid background noises, light it, etc.

Rick Beato has a great IG set of tutorials. He’s not overly hyped. He tells you what he’s doing. Gives a spot on example, then says “like that.” Now, he’s doing stuff way over my head, theory-wise. While I can recognize what he’s talking about, I can’t apply it in the real world. Still, his delivery is solid, even on his longer YT videos.

I think the silent presenters can benefit from not showing faces and personality. I’d rather watch Mr. Ex or Knobs than someone like Devon Blue Whitaker. I don’t necessarily like what Mr. Ex does but I like how he does it. They each made choices and have styles, which I can respect. I’ll gravitate to the ones I like.
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Yeah, they all have their gimmicks. I cant really get behind the devon blue stuff or the always broke...just too cinematic...I am watching to see what the pedal can do and most youtubers stink at showing that. Even knobs...his vids are nice but they give me little indication of how I moght use the pedal. Devon's videos are pretty good w covering the pedal but there is so much annoying w them...like the gloves and smoke and that awful breathy narration. Def cant please everyone. There isnt one youtuber that I really love everything across the board.
 
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monsterthompson said:


This video probably doesn't have much mind blowing stuff for the regulars in these parts, but at about 5:06 there is an interesting bit on Additive Synthesis and how to do some sound design in Ableton with Operator.

The graphics in this are pretty slick too. If you know anyone learning about harmonics and overtones, this is pretty helpful to pass along.
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That was a pretty good explanation.

As far as pedal demo vids, I like the ones where they start off with a sample of the sounds, which lets me decide whether I want to stick around or quit wasting my time, followed by an actual explanation of what it's about and how it works, followed by some more sounds. There aren't too many who can do it right. Knobs makes me have to pause the video to read his text, which really annoys me, especially since a lot of the text is inane nonsense anyway. Then there is the fact that the guys doing the demos are often playing their instruments in a way I'll never do it, or that they are so talented that they could make any pedal sound cool.

On and on. I forgot what I was complaining about. Oh look, a squirrel...
 
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In the spirit of YT folks...
I was impressed with how Rick dissected this Korn track. It isn't one I like, and I'm not sure if the band actually thought through all they were doing the way he frames things, but... I find the analysis and the isolated tracks interesting. I heard things in it that I hadn't noticed before. It might've even given me ideas for intervals to purposefully utilize. Pretty far from ambient, but the layering, and use of chromatic and dissonant intervals was interesting.
 
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Rick Beato's breakdowns are the best. He makes me pay attention to songs I don't like but am curious as to why they were successful. I'm pretty sure most of the bands he talks about were not consciously making the choices they did on music theory; rather they just played what sounded cool. Music theory is for explaining why things work after the fact.
 
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monsterthompson said:
In the spirit of YT folks...
I was impressed with how Rick dissected this Korn track. It isn't one I like, and I'm not sure if the band actually thought through all they were doing the way he frames things, but... I find the analysis and the isolated tracks interesting. I heard things in it that I hadn't noticed before. It might've even given me ideas for intervals to purposefully utilize. Pretty far from ambient, but the layering, and use of chromatic and dissonant intervals was interesting.
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yeah. i really like this track a lot ("free jazz guy" likes korn!). not my favorite korn track (make me bad). tbh, i think they have two good albums worth of material out of five or more records.

to be honest, to me, most of it just sounds like variations on phrygian mode (which makes things "evil/exotic"), but it has great stuff: davis talking in tongues, great guitar sounds, heavy breakdown.

and the whole they made things not bluesy? hmm, i'd say metallica beat them to that.
 
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steubig said:
and the whole they made things not bluesy? hmm, i'd say metallica beat them to that.
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Sorta. Kirk’s solos have always had a blues influence. Starting with the black album, the blues riffing started showing through more. But the earlier material generally didn’t get too far into that territory. Though that riff in Jump in the Fire walks the blues scale. I think the NWOBHM started walking away from the blues in rock. Maiden didn’t get too bluesy. Slayer steered clear it.

I think the lack of guitar solos in Nu Metal made it easier to avoid the blues cliches.
 
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Korn and nu metal
I like heavy shizzle....but ill skip those.
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Me:

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monsterthompson said:
Sorta. Kirk’s solos have always had a blues influence. Starting with the black album, the blues riffing started showing through more. But the earlier material generally didn’t get too far into that territory. Though that riff in Jump in the Fire walks the blues scale. I think the NWOBHM started walking away from the blues in rock. Maiden didn’t get too bluesy. Slayer steered clear it.

I think the lack of guitar solos in Nu Metal made it easier to avoid the blues cliches.
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“blues scale” is basically just pentatonic. to me a lot of metal left behind the feel. to me sabbath felt like white english blues from birmingham. and ozzy sounds very otis rush to me.
 
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steubig said:
“blues scale” is basically just pentatonic. to me a lot of metal left behind the feel. to me sabbath felt like white english blues from birmingham. and ozzy sounds very otis rush to me.
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Sabbath never hid the fact they where heavily influenced by the blues.
When I was a kid I basically thought they where a « blues » band that blew up there amps and played loud as heck.
First 4 Sabbath albums.....still HOLY EFFIN ISSHHHH!!!!!
Classic, happy that I got to see them live on the last tour. Was stoked.
 
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what i think is interesting about korn is that they had a *sound*. it was fairly idiosyncratic and somewhat sophisticated sonically. i think they had one idea and couldn’t really build too much beyond that. same with linkin park.

and both bands *spoke* to a certain something in youth culture, which is not easy to do.
 
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monsterthompson said:
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The 1st one was kinda cool.
Then....well.....not so much.
Seemed more concerned with puma sneakers and adidas track suits.....

They weren't really heavy when as a kid I listened to Florida death metal, black metal ( and no...cradle of filth isnt black metal....)and grindcore.

Also lots of hardcore, punk and hip hop.


They where heavy for the popular kids.

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