That and I never got sabbath after the first three albums... love the early stuff but the dio years never did it for me...
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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread
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imo,
record companies and radio grab on to stuff they can sell.
they don’t literally create anything. i don’t believe they shove anything down anyone’s throat. for good or bad, people either like what they hear/see or they turn the dial (old skool).
consider the feeding frenzy around seattle. there was a buzz, something hit, it took off on radio and then all the labels needed to find something “like that.”
it happened in many other scenes. london punk. new york new wave, hollywood hair metal, the myriad bands in l.a. that modeled themselves after guns n roses.
i think what happens is that some kids develop something, they ride the cultural wave and someone (most often the lawyers and the record company management) makes some money.
really, i wish it weren’t that way. our a&r guy also signed soundgarden; you can guess who a&m pushed (and i don’t blame them, great band). i went on tour with a guy who had done well with his first a album and had a great second album that got blown out of the water because he was already dated: grunge laid waste to everything else.
summary: imo. there’s a zeitgeist that some bands catch and can ride the wave, people sell and consume it. hopefully the band walks away with some money to show for it.
record companies and radio grab on to stuff they can sell.
they don’t literally create anything. i don’t believe they shove anything down anyone’s throat. for good or bad, people either like what they hear/see or they turn the dial (old skool).
consider the feeding frenzy around seattle. there was a buzz, something hit, it took off on radio and then all the labels needed to find something “like that.”
it happened in many other scenes. london punk. new york new wave, hollywood hair metal, the myriad bands in l.a. that modeled themselves after guns n roses.
i think what happens is that some kids develop something, they ride the cultural wave and someone (most often the lawyers and the record company management) makes some money.
really, i wish it weren’t that way. our a&r guy also signed soundgarden; you can guess who a&m pushed (and i don’t blame them, great band). i went on tour with a guy who had done well with his first a album and had a great second album that got blown out of the water because he was already dated: grunge laid waste to everything else.
summary: imo. there’s a zeitgeist that some bands catch and can ride the wave, people sell and consume it. hopefully the band walks away with some money to show for it.
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@cosmicevan
great point about how you learn about stuff.
it’s particularly pertinent to me: peer group, radio, interviews, openers, books, liner notes, walking into record stores (dinosaur!). whatever causes resonant links.
i think what happens with youth culture is you have peers telling you about something or you hearing something yourself, it catches you, and you pass it on.
record companies are dying for that to happen. you can’t manufacture it. you can promote, but if kids think it sucks (for whatever reason) you’re not gonna be able to move them.
imo, ymmv, etc.
great point about how you learn about stuff.
it’s particularly pertinent to me: peer group, radio, interviews, openers, books, liner notes, walking into record stores (dinosaur!). whatever causes resonant links.
i think what happens with youth culture is you have peers telling you about something or you hearing something yourself, it catches you, and you pass it on.
record companies are dying for that to happen. you can’t manufacture it. you can promote, but if kids think it sucks (for whatever reason) you’re not gonna be able to move them.
imo, ymmv, etc.
I was a weird skaterboarding OutKast. So I was in a crowd of other weirdos that skated and did.....you know.....teenager dumb stuff.
Whatever was on the radio was immediately a no go for us. If a band was on the cover of a Mag.....banned.
Was only till we got older and actually found out some of the popular stuff like Sabbath, Zeppelin, Police, Beastie Boys, etc where awesome bands.
Also coincidentally happened when I was learning to play bass, got into jazz around 15 ishhhh......talk about a loser. Wow.
So we had our « badge ».....the anti pop everything. Real original ......euhhhh.
Hey, we where young and dumb.....raise your hand if you where a genius at 14.....I was a complete idiot.
Still am,,,,
raises hand.
“complete genius” at 14.
and still a “complete genius” 50 years later.
“complete genius” at 14.
and still a “complete genius” 50 years later.
Yeah me and my friends were kind of anti radio / tv... most of what we got hold of was friends or hanging out at the “alternative / underground “ music stores... ahh memories - that store gone now for ages but it’s where I got my first tool ticket on the lateralis tour... lining up for 4 hours back when they only had physical tickets hah
Just got this strange device today
I was really lucky to move to Japan in 1982 right before starting 7th grade. I listened to top 40 and Wolfman Jack on Armed Forces Radio for a month, then once we moved into our apartment (or "mansion" as they called it!) no more radio for me - it was all records! Poking around and finding stuff for myself, regardless of what other people were into. Of course other people influenced me, but I consider myself lucky to not have been infected too much by radio or MTV. So I got into the Beatles, then metal (both classic British + NWOBHM), then prog, then fusion, and on and on throughout my life. Sometimes it was a cool friend (well cool to me, they were probably a social pariah like me!) who might introduce me to Ozzy or Rush, or later on the Meters. And of course I was influenced by advertising. But I believe I made a lot of my discoveries on my own. I guess kids can do that now on YouTube or whatever, but there were some big decisions to be made back in the days of records! I'm really into David Coverdale because I love Deep Purple - which Whitesnake album should I check out? Ooh, maybe I'll get his solo album he put out first - get it home - big mistake! lol
I used my lunch card money in high school to buy one record or cassette tape a week.
I made crappy lunches once my parents left, even going hungry some days and ate nothing.
Now that is completely nuts when I think about it now.
Told y’a I was a complete idiot!!!
Side note:
I’d like to thank @steubig for sending me down the experimental, textural, free jazz whatever solo dual looper rabbit hole.
I haven’t played this much bass in a long time.
And I haven’t looked\shopped for mangler pedals in years......$$$$$$$....this is gonna cost me.
Combo of awesomeness for me lately: Boss DD7 into Red Panda Particle.
With a looper, the possibilities are endless.
Now I want an awesome reverb also.
DAMN YOU!!!!
@ugly_bassplayer seems like you were committed to listening to music.
i think that’s pretty awesome.
i think that’s pretty awesome.
all in all, if we’re lucky, we find our tribe—or at least our tribe for a bit of time.
Maybe for you and me, but not so much for kids. I have kids (9 & 7) and you dont get a choice to pick whats popular but you better know the words or the dance...and its so amplified w teens and device culture. My kids dont have phones but they are exposed to the culture from friends and friends siblings...its crazy.
There is very little choice anymore these days. Even if you have an affinity for the alt stream it's still fed to you from algorithms when you are younger. The medium to discover new has become heavily influenced these days.
i’ve been through a bit of this earlier, my kids are 25.
my son got into metal for a second and then it was all hip hop. not sure now.
my daughter is sorta more pop, but with a big dose of classic rock and investigates new bands that seem to get big.
so, dunno. some of it might come down to parental modeling? (not saying i did a good job.)
there’s also what kind of area you live in, larger metropolitan areas provide more opportunities.
Here goes nothing.
I'm scared ishhless to share this one.
I'm scared ishhless to share this one.
Yep. And that's why I don't really listen to any of it. The whole rock aesthetic offers me little to relate to at 49. And I even feel that way about the classic stuff now, too.
That's the story they all have. Adds to that 'cred' thing. We were forced to pout/look stupid whatever, when the record label got a hold of us. Yadda yadda.* Posers.
*my yadda yadda is dismissiveness of them, not you.
tbh, i’ve seen posers and wannabes in pretty much every scene: from rock/pop to funk to avant/noise/whatever.
Of course. It just seems to be a staple of the rock/pop/funk thing, less so with some of those other ones.
