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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread
- Thread starter ttasselm
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Yeah, I never got the allure of those bands like angry suburban preteens seemed to get them.
Those disaffected suburban preteens really got it.
how to put this delicately?
most of the music you/we/i grew up with and possibly loved as pre/teens somehow spoke to disaffected (suburban) youth. you can include rock and roll, new wave, punk, heavy metal, industrial, hip hop, etc., in there. some of it is generational and some isn't.
"shut up when i'm talking to you."
you've never felt that? hell, i felt that a lot right around the time i heard it (and i was old!). felt it with my kids (who were preteens), my wife, my boss . . . you name it. maybe you're more well adjusted than i am . . . dunno.
i think it's easy to be dismissive of youth culture when you're older. my dad was. he berated me one night, telling me that "paul hendrix is laughing all the way to the bank" (yes, *paul*).
sometimes we don't get it because we're dinosaurs.
most of the music you/we/i grew up with and possibly loved as pre/teens somehow spoke to disaffected (suburban) youth. you can include rock and roll, new wave, punk, heavy metal, industrial, hip hop, etc., in there. some of it is generational and some isn't.
"shut up when i'm talking to you."
you've never felt that? hell, i felt that a lot right around the time i heard it (and i was old!). felt it with my kids (who were preteens), my wife, my boss . . . you name it. maybe you're more well adjusted than i am . . . dunno.
i think it's easy to be dismissive of youth culture when you're older. my dad was. he berated me one night, telling me that "paul hendrix is laughing all the way to the bank" (yes, *paul*).
sometimes we don't get it because we're dinosaurs.
The 1st one was kinda cool.
Then....well.....not so much.
Seemed more concerned with puma sneakers and adidas track suits.....
They weren't really heavy when as a kid I listened to Florida death metal, black metal ( and no...cradle of filth isnt black metal....)and grindcore.
Also lots of hardcore, punk and hip hop.
They where heavy for the popular kids.
bands too interested by image . . . a story on repeat. (and they possibly got free poopie from those folks—i know there's a story of mike watt taking ratm to task for loading up on some shoe company's swag.)
i think their appeal (for me at least) was not solely heavy.
i was never relevant to youth culture.
I'm around kids everyday.
They don't give a %@#^$*# about us old farts. They see us as lame old, uncool.
Same as it was centuries ago. That will never change. Imo
Oh, believe me, I totally get it. I'm also unusual in that when I was that age, none of that stuff appealed to me -I went through angst, but guys playing dress up, making pouty faces and singing hyperemotively never resonated with me, for whatever reason.. When my peers were getting on about how deep Nirvana and Pearl Jam were, I was jammin' on prog and fusion. But that's just me, I get it. I'm weird, in that when I was the age demographic for this stuff, I felt like I still do, now.... which would explain my aversion to punk, of course.
But I suspect I'm the outlier here on a lot of these things.
I think we all are in the "weirdo" side of it all.
This has influenced my dive into the generally faceless ambient world, as I progress toward geezerhood. Iconography doesn't appeal to me the way it once did. As someone who played lots of dress-up in my day, I'm pretty annoyed with the idea of any kind of costuming. I get the importance of branding, but I'm not interested in doing it or observing it in fashion choices.
That's one thing I really like about this genre... one can enjoy the art without the image of the artist intruding, too much.
Ya shoulda heard me rant about it when hair bands were big. Even at 14 , I was, ***? Probably even more frustrated because those were the ones getting all the girls.
i disliked the glam thing. was all about prog, fusion, jam (allman bros), blues.
still, i get these other things more now. i realize that a lot
of music i like is probably made by people i may not like.
further, it’s my observation that every scene has its own dress code or tribal signifiers. if someone shows up to an ambient gig looking like a member of yes ca 1972, or korn ca 1999, they’re probably gonna get some strange looks.
still, i get these other things more now. i realize that a lot
of music i like is probably made by people i may not like.
further, it’s my observation that every scene has its own dress code or tribal signifiers. if someone shows up to an ambient gig looking like a member of yes ca 1972, or korn ca 1999, they’re probably gonna get some strange looks.
In my opinion it isnt really that complex. Youth culture is about discovery, experimentation and acceptance...korn, love em or hate em was pop - which is short for "popular". At the time when they were most popular they werent all that different from everything else that was pop (or popular). At that time, the marketing machine known as mtv was selling packaged rebellion to teens who were coming off the grunge hangover. After grunge, pop things diverged into a few vastly different styles...further down the rabbit hole of angst w korn, and other heavies...or polar opposite w bubblegum teenybopper pop that dominated "pop" for early 2000's.
Ultimately, fans of these bands were discovering them on radio and tv cause they were being force fed to you. As a teen looking to find your place you pick your poison and find your friends who picked the same poison, try to fit in, try to get laid, etc.
I didnt make my own musical discoveries until I was much older and found new avenues to find music. Teens arent out there exploring the depths of bandcamp or searching deep for something new, they are picking up whats fed their way and trying to make a commitment early enough that they can give themselves cred as an early supporter...so that they can be accepted in a community.
Maybe some of the folks in this thread were a bit more sophisticated but I doubt it. Even the deep jazz and offbeat weird stuff that is talked about in this thread came from somewhere...like a bandmate or music teacher suggesting a listen and the discussion here is also all about acceptance and common interests. The only real music I "discovered" as a youth was an opening band for an established act that I may have seen live...any weirdo bands I went to seek out were discovered from a name drop in an interview and I probably sought them out because I liked the optics of checking out a band that the producer of my favorite album name checks as a great record. Once the door is opened, you stick w it cause you like it (hopefully) but those doors get opened because people are trying to fit in or find themselves by leaning on the guidance of those we admire.
Ultimately, fans of these bands were discovering them on radio and tv cause they were being force fed to you. As a teen looking to find your place you pick your poison and find your friends who picked the same poison, try to fit in, try to get laid, etc.
I didnt make my own musical discoveries until I was much older and found new avenues to find music. Teens arent out there exploring the depths of bandcamp or searching deep for something new, they are picking up whats fed their way and trying to make a commitment early enough that they can give themselves cred as an early supporter...so that they can be accepted in a community.
Maybe some of the folks in this thread were a bit more sophisticated but I doubt it. Even the deep jazz and offbeat weird stuff that is talked about in this thread came from somewhere...like a bandmate or music teacher suggesting a listen and the discussion here is also all about acceptance and common interests. The only real music I "discovered" as a youth was an opening band for an established act that I may have seen live...any weirdo bands I went to seek out were discovered from a name drop in an interview and I probably sought them out because I liked the optics of checking out a band that the producer of my favorite album name checks as a great record. Once the door is opened, you stick w it cause you like it (hopefully) but those doors get opened because people are trying to fit in or find themselves by leaning on the guidance of those we admire.
The funny thing is... if you guys ever dived into it before they got popular... 99% of it was they didn’t want it / didn’t find it, the mtv found them...
early Korn and limp bizkit were playing to crowds of like 200 people max... then they got marketed... found themselves with all the drugs, money, houses and all the crap that came with it... I loved it till it got killed by the pop... I was one of the teens in my room listening to Korn self titled on repeat hah.
I still listened to stuff like machine head and fear factory but I hated the anti religious lyrics as they just bored me. At least nu metal had lyrics about relatable things to a teenager like depression, society anxiety, etc... Jon Davis said it himself... he hated that he was singing against the “jocks” and they were showing up at the festivals!
I’m pretty sure on of the guitarists in Korn said they had the move able dissonant chord they found that based 99% of the first three albums
I guess nu metal also has it good in that it’s a branch from rock / grunge / punk etc that you can then lead into heavier and heavier... most my playlist these days is djent / progressive metal core type stuff with ambient mixed in... but I’d never have got there without my 90’s nu metal mix
early Korn and limp bizkit were playing to crowds of like 200 people max... then they got marketed... found themselves with all the drugs, money, houses and all the crap that came with it... I loved it till it got killed by the pop... I was one of the teens in my room listening to Korn self titled on repeat hah.
I still listened to stuff like machine head and fear factory but I hated the anti religious lyrics as they just bored me. At least nu metal had lyrics about relatable things to a teenager like depression, society anxiety, etc... Jon Davis said it himself... he hated that he was singing against the “jocks” and they were showing up at the festivals!
I’m pretty sure on of the guitarists in Korn said they had the move able dissonant chord they found that based 99% of the first three albums
I guess nu metal also has it good in that it’s a branch from rock / grunge / punk etc that you can then lead into heavier and heavier... most my playlist these days is djent / progressive metal core type stuff with ambient mixed in... but I’d never have got there without my 90’s nu metal mix
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