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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

sounds good. nice intro.

live music, with people, seems like a bygone era, almost quaint.
It was wonderful and super bizarre. Great to see that my self doubt immediately came back in full force. Took a day or so to turn that into motivation to improve. The ego is wild. I was out there for lunch and dinner as well. Walking around amongst many people. Eating outdoors with other humans around. A shock to the system. All of my friends in NYC make it look online like life is normal there, and I think compared to the rest of the world, it may be closest to familiar....but man.....I really need to figure out how to make some money going forward. So many things have changed for me, and it seems for many musicians that I know. No desire to play gigs that I have no passion for...which means I have to find another way....you had that figured out many years ago. Way ahead of the crowd.
 
It was wonderful and super bizarre. Great to see that my self doubt immediately came back in full force. Took a day or so to turn that into motivation to improve. The ego is wild. I was out there for lunch and dinner as well. Walking around amongst many people. Eating outdoors with other humans around. A shock to the system. All of my friends in NYC make it look online like life is normal there, and I think compared to the rest of the world, it may be closest to familiar....but man.....I really need to figure out how to make some money going forward. So many things have changed for me, and it seems for many musicians that I know. No desire to play gigs that I have no passion for...which means I have to find another way....you had that figured out many years ago. Way ahead of the crowd.
I'll say it again, I'm so happy I dropped being a "pro" about 8 years ago.
No more top 40 crap gigs to pay the rent.
No more calling back bookers for my pay.
No more learning 70 songs in 3 days for a sub spot.

I do only the music I want. I even end up playing more than before.

Hope you can find a good balance in your life and musical journey. Tuff times indeed.
Feel free to msg me anytime.

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Self doubt, Anxiety
Welcome to the club.
Life long struggle.
 
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It was wonderful and super bizarre. Great to see that my self doubt immediately came back in full force. Took a day or so to turn that into motivation to improve. The ego is wild.


well at least you still have that. ;)

learning from gigs is the best (or worst, if you get my drift).

No desire to play gigs that I have no passion for...which means I have to find another way....you had that figured out many years ago. Way ahead of the crowd.

sometimes it sounds better than it is. i often feel like i’m not a “real musician” in other people’s eyes cause i don’t do those gigs.

and is my “path” really just a cul de sac?

you were talking about self-doubt being intact?
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao: o_O
 
I’m glad to see some folks are gigging and getting joy (and staying safe). Finding the gigs that are satisfying and rewarding can be a challenge.

Lifetime hobbyist/enthusiast here. Plenty of self doubt. in fact I still hear a criticism from 20 years ago in my head (a drummer commented on my singing, and I’m not even a singer). I had my realization that being a pro musician wasn’t what I really wanted years ago. I think my last gig, the implosion of my last project, and this lockdown has made the idea of getting out there again seem unlikely.
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well at least you still have that. ;)

learning from gigs is the best (or worst, if you get my drift).



sometimes it sounds better than it is. i often feel like i’m not a “real musician” in other people’s eyes cause i don’t do those gigs.

and is my “path” really just a cul de sac?

you were talking about self-doubt being intact?
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao: o_O
Exactly my thoughts.

Try explaining to a "normal" that you spent hours and months on "sound textures".
And that you do "music" .

Cul de sac ftw.
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well at least you still have that. ;)

learning from gigs is the best (or worst, if you get my drift).



sometimes it sounds better than it is. i often feel like i’m not a “real musician” in other people’s eyes cause i don’t do those gigs.

and is my “path” really just a cul de sac?

you were talking about self-doubt being intact?
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao: o_O
I always feel like I'm not a real musician because I didn't grow up with a mentor and playing jazz. This s**t is just in our heads...and if it's in other people's heads then that's on them. Nothing to do with us. I had a therapist once that said those old negative voices never go away, but we can make them quieter with time. It's work for sure, though. A lot of work. The stories we tell ourselves always hold a great deal more weight than what others say. I've had some people say some terrible things to my face, and I've lost gigs because of different reasons....but in the end we decide how to frame those things. Anyway.......we all know this. This is to say that I want to try and stop reacting in my own head in a negative way.
 
I’m glad to see some folks are gigging and getting joy (and staying safe). Finding the gigs that are satisfying and rewarding can be a challenge.

Lifetime hobbyist/enthusiast here. Plenty of self doubt. in fact I still hear a criticism from 20 years ago in my head (a drummer commented on my singing, and I’m not even a singer). I had my realization that being a pro musician wasn’t what I really wanted years ago. I think my last gig, the implosion of my last project, and this lockdown has made the idea of getting out there again seem unlikely.
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Some of my best/most fun gigs have been in dumps like that.
For real.
 
I've got good memories of shows in dumps. One place had the most squalid bathroom I have ever seen to date, but it was still a fun show. I totally sympathize with @emjazz's desire to avoid the ******** and find a meaningful way forward. Compared to the rest of the universe I have a very very nice job and even there I have less tolerance for the alienating stuff than I did before the pandemic.
 
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I've got good memories of shows in dumps. One place had the most squalid bathroom I have ever seen to date, but it was still a fun show. I totally sympathize with @emjazz's desire to avoid the ******** and find a meaningful way forward. Compared to the rest of the universe I have a very very nice job and even there I have less tolerance for the alienating stuff than I did before the pandemic.
Ever play at the Bovine Sex Club in Toronto??
 
I once played the infamous Al's Bar in LA. That was... an experience.

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Google pics from the Bovine Sex club. Toronto Ontario.

Inside and outside. I bet if you cut a little square from the stage carpet you could easily get high for a week.

Only place I’ve ever played where the Bar Lady told me to Efffff off and wait while she was on the phone with her significant other swearing and arguing.

Sound guy was definitely on “something”, crowd was rowdy and into it.
Drummer had a piece of crap back line drum kit with a a hole in the bass drum fixed with duct tape.
I had a efffn blast playing that gig. Huge drunk guys giving sweaty hugs, ewwwwww...not so much though.
 
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The ‘pro’ thing is a doubled edged sword for sure. But being paid because you’re decent at an instrument beats being a construction dude like I used to be.
This is a ‘day job’ kinda thing I did that describes the double edged sword thing. I did a session with a bunch of top tier A list dudes (Kenny Greenberg, Chad Cromwell, Mike Rojas and David Leonard among others) in a world class studio. They normally use Michael Rhodes on bass and he’s a heavy hitter triple scale dude. He must’ve been busy because I got the call that day :)
I’m not proud or ashamed of my bass in this track. It’s fully ‘professional’ but any decent player coulda done it. But the money was good, everyone was super nice and they are world class players, so...
 
The ‘pro’ thing is a doubled edged sword for sure. But being paid because you’re decent at an instrument beats being a construction dude like I used to be.
This is a ‘day job’ kinda thing I did that describes the double edged sword thing. I did a session with a bunch of top tier A list dudes (Kenny Greenberg, Chad Cromwell, Mike Rojas and David Leonard among others) in a world class studio. They normally use Michael Rhodes on bass and he’s a heavy hitter triple scale dude. He must’ve been busy because I got the call that day :)
I’m not proud or ashamed of my bass in this track. It’s fully ‘professional’ but any decent player coulda done it. But the money was good, everyone was super nice and they are world class players, so...

Good job!!!!! Nice tasty bass right there,
Congrats on hitting the “a” list. You certainly deserve it if you get the calls.

I never “made it”, I was bottom tier. My last band could have been “big” (whatever that means.....)but.....stuff happens and I bailed with the drummer.

Chalk some of that up to my awesome people skills (or lack of...hehe) .I’m not shy, I can’t be fake or suck up for a gig.....it cost me, but I regret nothing.

Some of my good buds made the top tier “a” list in MTL though. Most of them drummers. One of them is a first call drummer for Michel Cusson (ex Uzeb guitarist and score composer)
 
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The ‘pro’ thing is a doubled edged sword for sure. But being paid because you’re decent at an instrument beats being a construction dude like I used to be.
This is a ‘day job’ kinda thing I did that describes the double edged sword thing. I did a session with a bunch of top tier A list dudes (Kenny Greenberg, Chad Cromwell, Mike Rojas and David Leonard among others) in a world class studio. They normally use Michael Rhodes on bass and he’s a heavy hitter triple scale dude. He must’ve been busy because I got the call that day :)
I’m not proud or ashamed of my bass in this track. It’s fully ‘professional’ but any decent player coulda done it. But the money was good, everyone was super nice and they are world class players, so...

When I first moved to Boston years ago I was playing for a bunch of songwriters. I love songwriters, but most of them played and toured solo most of the time. Just easier and cheaper. If I had kept down that road I'm sure I would have landed on a bigger gig at some point....but we can't help but to be who we are in the end. I've pretty much ensured a lack of bigger standard gigs for myself...but it is what it is. I'm super happy when I play creative music. I love it so much. I'll never stop trying to improve.....but to the money issue....I suppose we'll see!
I had a great bass player in NYC tell me when I got there to do everything that you can money wise to pay the bills, but not to post those gigs online or to talk about them much. In a City like that perception is a big part of it all. Such a strange world.
 
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