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#601
Smokin' Toaster said:
The point, sadly missed, was that when you replace rule of law with screaming "gathering of people", bad things will certainly occur. In the past, lynchings have taken place as a result of angry "gatherings of people" taking the law into their own hands. I'm not sure that angry "gathering of people" in Seminole County would not like to dispense justice themselves.
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I dont recall any lynching at occupy wall street. :confused: And they was mad as all get out.
 
#602
Ok.

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#603
Dr. Cheese said:
You brought up the image of a lynch mob, no one else. Calling them a lynch mob is a way to delegitimize their legal protest, something everyone in this country has a right to do.

The fact is that if Trayvon Martin had not been killed, if the Sanford PD had not been inadequate in their work, the protestors would be going about their normal lives.
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That's a big Fox news tactic, one "party" is a legitimate protest, the other a unruly mob of dirty pot smoking rapists.;)
 
#605
Dr. Cheese said:
I also feel that there is a part of you that feels a need to always find some sort of negative equivalence in African American behavior whenever a problem of racism is uncovered. That is why you are conflating a lawful protest of law students from Florida A&M and students from Bethune-Cookman with old time Southern lynch mobs.
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Did you notice that I was pointing out that I was worried that the there might be some among the crowd protesting in Seminole County (who you noted were predominantly African American) who may want to do something that lynch mobs in the south (who were [DEL]predominantly[/DEL] entirely white actually DID do? If you feelings are correct, I got it backwards that time. Whoops.
 
#606
Smokin' Toaster said:
Did you notice that I was pointing out that I was worried that the there might be some among the crowd protesting in Seminole County (who you noted were predominantly African American) who may want to do something that lynch mobs in the south (who were [DEL]predominantly[/DEL] entirely white actually DID do? If you feelings are correct, I got it backwards that time. Whoops.
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So remind me, when did the group in Florida at present day have any periods of US history when whites were owned as property, counted as 3/5 a vote, and had no civil rights? How can you not see trying to draw a parallel as a humongous insult?
 
#608
Southpaw5 said:
So remind me, when did the group in Florida at present day have any periods of US history when whites were owned as property, counted as 3/5 a vote, and had no civil rights? How can you not see trying to draw a parallel as a humongous insult?
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None, none, and none.

So the obvious conclusions are that all crowd dynamics observed through history do not or could not apply here, I need to reference everything I say and do and think in light of slavery, and I'm an insulting racist.

Glad we got that cleared up.

Here's a problem I have.

I'm talking about crowd dynamics, mobs, and how quickly things can go from peaceful protest to violent crowd. And when you get people of one race, THE HUMAN RACE, together and they feel they have been wronged, rhetoric and actions occur that would not in smaller groups or among individuals.

Your reply? Slavery.

I'm not diminishing the evil of slavery, or saying not to discuss it.

But when someone has concerns about something totally unrelated to slavery, you can't lather on some slavery references and make it go away. I have terrible news for you: everything in the world does not revolve around, or occur as a result of slavery in the US.

I made the comment about lynch mobs with the thought of how groups of people can react and things escalate much more quickly and without the thought and restraint an individual may have. This has been proven time and time again throughout history. The example that came to mind was lynch mobs in the south, and it's a pretty bad one that drives home the point only too well. I was not thinking race, it's usually not the first item on my checklist when I'm gather my thoughts. I wasn't looking for an example that would offend black people or anyone else.

So please take your big ol' racist whipping slavery club and put it where.... somewhere. Somewhere else.
 
#609
Smokin' Toaster said:
None, none, and none.

So the obvious conclusions are that all crowd dynamics observed through history do not or could not apply here, I need to reference everything I say and do and think in light of slavery, and I'm an insulting racist.

Glad we got that cleared up.

Here's a problem I have.

I'm talking about crowd dynamics, mobs, and how quickly things can go from peaceful protest to violent crowd. And when you get people of one race, THE HUMAN RACE, together and they feel they have been wronged, rhetoric and actions occur that would not in smaller groups or among individuals.

Your reply? Slavery.

I'm not diminishing the evil of slavery, or saying not to discuss it.

But when someone has concerns about something totally unrelated to slavery, you can't lather on some slavery references and make it go away. I have terrible news for you: everything in the world does not revolve around, or occur as a result of slavery in the US.

I made the comment about lynch mobs with the thought of how groups of people can react and things escalate much more quickly and without the thought and restraint an individual may have. This has been proven time and time again throughout history. The example that came to mind was lynch mobs in the south, and it's a pretty bad one that drives home the point only too well. I was not thinking race, it's usually not the first item on my checklist when I'm gather my thoughts. I wasn't looking for an example that would offend black people or anyone else.

So please take your big ol' racist whipping slavery club and put it where.... somewhere. Somewhere else.
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Ok, then don't compare a group of protesters to a lynch mobs which in this country are directly tied the the progression from slavery.
 
#610
These people brought guns to their protest, and as alarming as it was, no armed riot started. Why they did this is a completely different issue and not within TB guidelines to discuss, but the fact that it happened - and didn't devolve into a riot - is the point.

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#611
Bloodhammer said:
These people brought guns to their protest, and as alarming as it was, no armed riot started. Why they did this is a completely different issue and not within TB guidelines to discuss, but the fact that it happened - and didn't devolve into a riot - is the point.

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Wow. OK, fair enough if it's not ok to discuss the background, but can you at least mention where/when this was? Just curious.
 
#613
Smokin' Toaster said:
I made the comment about lynch mobs with the thought of how groups of people can react and things escalate much more quickly and without the thought and restraint an individual may have. This has been proven time and time again throughout history. The example that came to mind was lynch mobs in the south, and it's a pretty bad one that drives home the point only too well. I was not thinking race, it's usually not the first item on my checklist when I'm gather my thoughts. I wasn't looking for an example that would offend black people or anyone else.
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But it's a complete red herring. What these people that are angry over Trayvon Martin *might* do as a group is irrelevant and orthogonal to the discussion of Trayvon Martin's death and the Sanford PD's bungling of the case.

It might be relevant in the future (probably not), but it only serves as a distraction to the discussion in this thread. Almost a complete non-sequiter in my opinion.
 
#614
Southpaw5 said:
Ok, then don't compare a group of protesters to a lynch mobs which in this country are directly tied the the progression from slavery.
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+1

There's a hell of a big difference between a crowd demanding that justice be done and one ensuring an injustice be done.
 
#615
seventhson said:
But it's a complete red herring. What these people that are angry over Trayvon Martin *might* do as a group is irrelevant and orthogonal to the discussion of Trayvon Martin's death and the Sanford PD's bungling of the case.

It might be relevant in the future (probably not), but it only serves as a distraction to the discussion in this thread. Almost a complete non-sequiter in my opinion.
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Exactly!
 
#617
I think ppl keep arguing alot of diff points, but what about this. Even if you take color, race, etc away (which is difficult because it seems to be racially charged) and be left with what we know, what if it was YOUR child? I mean honestly, if that was YOUR child that just went out to the store and ended up shot unarmed, you cant tell me you wouldnt be outraged out how this is being handled, let alone your child being dead. I mean seriously. You honestly wouldnt want the support of the community for your child's life being taken wrongfully?

I mean if anyone here can honestly say after all that has transpired they would still be sitting at home privately saying "Well honey lets just give the police the time they need to do their jobs" I'll be thoroughly amazed.
 
#618
I find it telling that the "friends of zimmerman" faction are arguing hypotheticals about mob violence and media bias. It's a complete attempt at misdirection from the core tenets of this case and why people worldwide are outraged.

hey...look over there!
 
#620
"friends of zimmerman" faction.......
who's that? me? you are sooooooooo wrong!

I am a friend of information and rational thought.

what I know now:
Zimmerman is a vigilante that admittedly shot and killed someone.
The cops botched the investigation.

What I don't know:
If this was a "hate crime".
If this was racially motivated.
(would Zimmerman have shot another color person (personally I believe so))

What I believe:
the media is playing this story for all it's worth.
 
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