Anti-smacking laws

[Bassic83]

Welcome to California! We get some chump who wants to legislate spanking at least once a year.

So when is "spanking season" in Cali these days? When I lived there it ran from Jan 1 to Dec 31. Same as the Washington State Rain Festival. I agree that spanking should be legislated at LEAST once a year, maybe more is circumstances warrant!

 

[guy n. cognito]

No one was smacked in that school but somehow we seemed not to turn out too many delinquents. How do you explain that?

They got smacked at home, so the school didn't have to do the parents job.

There are times that kids need to be spanked, especially when they are acting in a way that could cause harm to themselves or others.

The lack of corporal punishment and the modern "talk-it-out" parenting crowd contributes to problems with today's kids, IMO.

 

[guy n. cognito]

To me, smacking just seems to teach a kid that it's okay to hit someone when they're doing something you don't like.

Rubbish. I was spanked a few times in my childhood, and I don't think that way at all.

 

[txbasschik]

+1. Well put, Cherie.

Thanks!

Cherie

 

[txbasschik]

Sorry in advance as this may come across sounding angry and maybe not PC - but- what the h*ll ever happened to common sense!!??
If a kid needs to be spanked, they need to be spanked, if they need to be simply scolded then you scold. Chances are -if you are "pro spanking" -you will rarely if ever spank your kid as the threat of getting a spanking is often far more potent than the spanking itself. It's a tool, just like scolding is, rewarding is, reasoning is when possible, even a nice hug and praise... you use all the tools in your inventory + wisdom to know when to use which tool.

If you need "Big Brother" to tell you how to raise your kids, then you shouldnt have kids to begin with. Advice and help on raising your kids are grandma and grandpa's job - your family's job, not the government's job who do not know your kids nor ever care to.

*getting off of soap box now, while angrily kicking it to pieces*

Aaaaaaamen!!! I had to spank my son a grand total of seven times before he turned seven. After which, the, "I will rake your floor and throw everything that gets caught in the rake away" thing was more effective. His toys had gotten to be more expensive, and more important to him, by then.

My daughter has been spanked exactly three times in her life. She's 8. The threat of having a spanking has usually been enough.

Cherie

 

[txbasschik]

Time outs work for some people.

For others, with children who are perhaps more spirited, they are an exercise in continued argument. You end up standing there, *making* the kid stay put, having to hear him scream and holler and carry one and what-not. Why should I be punished because my kid will not obey? Why should I spend time trying to make them stay in the stupid time-out chair? I have things to do, and I'm not standing around arguing with a kid all day. I will not put up with that nonsense. If I put my kid in time-out, and they won't stay, and they want to argue with me, they can certainly have a spanking and see how they like it.

After that, time-outs worked better. It used to be called "standing in the corner" by the way. The knew the next step was a spanking...so they sat in their little chair and looked at that dot on the wall in the corner and shut their mouth.

I'm not a psychologist. I'm a redneck. My way works for my family. The government can kiss my redneck a$$.

Cherie

 

[Geoff St. Germaine]

They got smacked at home, so the school didn't have to do the parents job.

There are times that kids need to be spanked, especially when they are acting in a way that could cause harm to themselves or others.

The lack of corporal punishment and the modern "talk-it-out" parenting crowd contributes to problems with today's kids, IMO.

I know for a fact that not all of them were smacked at home. In fact the guy with top honours in my high school class was not (he's a high school teacher now). One of my other good friends wasn't and he's in grad school right now. I guess they just happened to turn out alright without having to be spanked. The "talk-it-out" parenting crowd isn't to blame, it is parents who don't care and don't do anything about improper behaviour in children.

 

[Bassic83]

Used to get swats in school all the time. The only two teachers who were feared in Jr. High were the Civics teacher, Mr. Diaco, who had a MEAN wrist-snap thing going on, and used a modified ping-pong paddle; and the shop teacher, who had the shop in the basement of the school. The shop teacher had a pair of clip-on roller skates, and made you wear them when he swatted you...he set you on a marked line at his end of the hallway, and had a two-handed paddle with a big slot in it. When you got hit with that, you'd be grabbing the backs of your knees...THWACK! He'd send you down the hall. He had a small board in the class where he'd measure how far down the hall you went (each tile was 12" square. The fearsome thing about him was, you'd hear the whistle of the paddle as it carved through the air on its way to lighting up your posterior...and sometimes he'd back off a couple steps and take a "practice swing" ...

Mr. Diaco was known to take a different approach. You'd have to "assume the position" up against a locker. You wouldn't hear a thing, except for a very loud gunshot. The immediacy of the pain was known to bring football player to their knees in tears. We'd be inside the classroom as he led the offending party out into the hall, closing the door behind them. He would go get one of the other teachers out of their class to be a witness. We'd hear him say "Please, face the lockers. Hands on the upper doors, please. Feet shoulder width, please. Do you know why you are getting punished?"
"Ummm, not really.." whereupon he would recite their transgression. He'd ask again, "Do you know why you are being punished?" To which the person would recite their transgression. "That's two swats for the transgression, plus one for having to explain it and wasting the classes time. Are you ready?" The person would almost be sobbing by now "I'm sorry Mr. Diaco...please, can I have detention instead?"
"I'm sorry, the punishment for this action is two swats, plus one for wasting the classes time."

There'd be a loud pop, followed by a yelp, followed by another loud pop, and another yelp, followed by crying, then another pop, followed by more crying. At that point, Mr. Diaco would say, "Thank you for your time, Mr. Johnson. We apologize to your class for wasting their time." The door would open, and the offender would be escorted in, in tears, to apologize to the rest of the class for wasting our time. Then they would go to their seat and very gingerly sit down, obviously uncomfortable.

The minimum punishment was one swat, but was really two, since there was one for "wasting the classes' time", and the maximum was three pops, plus the extra fee...

Repeat offenders were quite rare.

As far as I know, nobody who got paddled went on to become criminals.

 

[Bassic83]

I'm not a psychologist. I'm a redneck. My way works for my family. The government can kiss my redneck a$$.

Cherie

You've been sigged!

 

[dlloyd]

Rubbish. I was spanked a few times in my childhood, and I don't think that way at all.

So... You think it's okay to hit kids? Because you were hit and you don't think it's okay to hit kids?

 

[Bassic83]

Kids (and many adults these days!) often suffer from cranio-rectal inversion. What better way to jog their memory than to go to the source!

Most of the little teenage thug-life social parasites I see holding their pants up while giving adults the evil eye or displaying other threatening behaviour NEED to get their butts beat! You think it'll cause them to become criminals? I doubt it... Or will it reinforce the ideas that you RESPECT ADULTS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY, and THE WORLD DOES NOT OWE YOU A LIVING? Not to mention having a sense of PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY, and any ability to ASCERTAIN RIGHT FROM WRONG...or are we asking too much of today's coddled youth?

 

[ric1312]

Kids (and many adults these days!) often suffer from cranio-rectal inversion. What better way to jog their memory than to go to the source!

Most of the little teenage thug-life social parasites I see holding their pants up while giving adults the evil eye or displaying other threatening behaviour NEED to get their butts beat! You think it'll cause them to become criminals? I doubt it... Or will it reinforce the ideas that you RESPECT ADULTS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY, and THE WORLD DOES NOT OWE YOU A LIVING? Not to mention having a sense of PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY, and any ability to ASCERTAIN RIGHT FROM WRONG...or are we asking too much of today's coddled youth?

I'll second this one hard. When I was a pre teen and early teen I knew better than to give adults any sort of problem or disrepspect. I knew either my father would get me good for it, or if an adult that knew my was there he/she would know my father condoned other known parents laying down the law. But, the parents on our block had an understanding. We really couldn't get away with anything because if one parent knew they all knew.

I guess that's what parents get today for letting MTV teach their children values.

 

[Jeremy Crockett]

RESPECT ADULTS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY
THE WORLD DOES NOT OWE YOU A LIVING
PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY
ASCERTAIN RIGHT FROM WRONG

Gah! There you go talking your nonsense again!

OUR CHILDREN ARE DECKALTE SNOWFLAKES!!!!!!11111111

 

[guy n. cognito]

So... You think it's okay to hit kids? Because you were hit and you don't think it's okay to hit kids?

Yes, beat the crap out of them........



Done being dramatic?

Reread what I said above. I'm not talking about whacking a kid for every misgiving. I'm talking about corporal punishment in the most severe cases of bad behavior. And I'm talking about spanking, not whoping them in the face with a baseball bat.

 

[BullHorn]

I think it's wrong to beat kids, that's child abuse, but I have no problem with smacking a child. My parents smacked me when I was growing up, and I'm happy they did. I did a lot of stupid crap growing up, and if they didn't smack me, I would have kept it up, and done a lot worse.

+1

 

[MakiSupaStar]

Used to get swats in school all the time. The only two teachers who were feared in Jr. High were the Civics teacher, Mr. Diaco, who had a MEAN wrist-snap thing going on, and used a modified ping-pong paddle; and the shop teacher, who had the shop in the basement of the school. The shop teacher had a pair of clip-on roller skates, and made you wear them when he swatted you...he set you on a marked line at his end of the hallway, and had a two-handed paddle with a big slot in it. When you got hit with that, you'd be grabbing the backs of your knees...THWACK! He'd send you down the hall. He had a small board in the class where he'd measure how far down the hall you went (each tile was 12" square. The fearsome thing about him was, you'd hear the whistle of the paddle as it carved through the air on its way to lighting up your posterior...and sometimes he'd back off a couple steps and take a "practice swing" ...

Mr. Diaco was known to take a different approach. You'd have to "assume the position" up against a locker. You wouldn't hear a thing, except for a very loud gunshot. The immediacy of the pain was known to bring football player to their knees in tears. We'd be inside the classroom as he led the offending party out into the hall, closing the door behind them. He would go get one of the other teachers out of their class to be a witness. We'd hear him say "Please, face the lockers. Hands on the upper doors, please. Feet shoulder width, please. Do you know why you are getting punished?"
"Ummm, not really.." whereupon he would recite their transgression. He'd ask again, "Do you know why you are being punished?" To which the person would recite their transgression. "That's two swats for the transgression, plus one for having to explain it and wasting the classes time. Are you ready?" The person would almost be sobbing by now "I'm sorry Mr. Diaco...please, can I have detention instead?"
"I'm sorry, the punishment for this action is two swats, plus one for wasting the classes time."

There'd be a loud pop, followed by a yelp, followed by another loud pop, and another yelp, followed by crying, then another pop, followed by more crying. At that point, Mr. Diaco would say, "Thank you for your time, Mr. Johnson. We apologize to your class for wasting their time." The door would open, and the offender would be escorted in, in tears, to apologize to the rest of the class for wasting our time. Then they would go to their seat and very gingerly sit down, obviously uncomfortable.

The minimum punishment was one swat, but was really two, since there was one for "wasting the classes' time", and the maximum was three pops, plus the extra fee...

Repeat offenders were quite rare.

As far as I know, nobody who got paddled went on to become criminals.

This post is hilarious... Good post. Love it. Those were the good old days.

 

[Ryan L.]

There is a huge difference, IMHO, between discipline and beating. If you can't realize that, whatever.

I guess I must be redneck too, because again, I agree with everything Cherie said.
And, FYI, my 18 month old daughter does get a smack on the fingers when she is going after something she shouldn't--when the word "NO" does not work.

 

[Relic]

This post is hilarious... Good post. Love it. Those were the good old days.

Yeah man I went to a catholic school back in the day, the freakin nuns maintained a fully-stocked torture chamber, complete with racks, iron maidens, red hot pokers and spiky metal yard-sticks.
We also had a nun that looked almost exactly like Schultz from Hogans Heros, but I digress..

 

[IconBasser]

lol, shultz was the best.

"I know nothing, nothing!"

 

[MakiSupaStar]

So when is "spanking season" in Cali these days? When I lived there it ran from Jan 1 to Dec 31. Same as the Washington State Rain Festival. I agree that spanking should be legislated at LEAST once a year, maybe more is circumstances warrant!

I think they always keep one in their back pocket so they can look like they're doing something... That and a look of concern and you've got a career in California politics.