Anyone tuning at 432hz?

[2tonic]

Don't buy any of it.
I can certainly understand different standards throughout history due to region or instrument maker.
If a 15th century violin maker created a masterpiece to sing at xxxHz, then by all means tune the rest of the orchestra to that standard, but don't cloud the issue with gobbledygook about the Earth's resonance.
The Earth is ever changing in displacement, density, and disposition. It may oscillate at 7~8hz, but that is due to external stimuli, and doesn't necessarily reflect it's resonance. Gravity, tides, storms, magnetic fields, solar wind and radiation all affect the planet's oscillation.
If resonance is defined as the frequency at which an object reflects the most of, if not more than, the energy level of external stimuli, then I'm not even sure the Earth's resonance can be statically measured.
The violin can be made to resonate at practically any pitch, but only with the strong, direct stimulus of the bow. Set upon the table, at which note, played by another source, does it begin to uncontrollably resonate sympathetically. That's it's resonant frequency, subject to humidity variations.

When a singer attempts to shatter a crystal goblet by singing at it's resonant frequency, the glass is always empty. Liquid would constantly change the target freq, rendering the task impossible with a single human voice.

Put your A440 tuning fork in the freezer overnight. First time you strike it in the morning it will not vibrate at 440hz.
Starting to see any parallels here?

Earth's shape shifts minutely. It's temperatures vary widely between regions and seasons. It has a liquid core. All these would affect a resonance point, and shift it accordingly.

Just an old guy rambling.

 

[crazyBassClown]

I'm still trying to figure out how to deal with the fact that my notes are tuned differently, depending on how hard I press down on the string.

Press on the fretwire, and/or don't press hard, and it mostly goes away.

 

[lucianoxrp]

I usually tune slightly sharper than A440, because as I'm finger-plucking the strings they stretch out and tonally "flatten" to normal/standard. If I start at A440 then I'd get flat by the end of the set, because during a live show my adrenaline's pumping, I'm getting into it, plucking hard...

That’s risky. Are you using a fretted instrument?

 

[-Asdfgh-]

The Treaty of Versailles (282 (22)) was apparently reaffirming an agreement across Europe for A=435 that the UK was ignoring. "(22) Convention of November 16 and 19, 1885, regarding the establishment of a concert pitch." Yes, looked it up!

But it was one element in a long list of affirmations of standards. Why concert pitch was important I don't know but perhaps it was so the French could sell A=435 accordions to Germany more easily or something absurd like that.

 

[lucianoxrp]

Don't buy any of it.
I can certainly understand different standards throughout history due to region or instrument maker.
If a 15th century violin maker created a masterpiece to sing at xxxHz, then by all means tune the rest of the orchestra to that standard, but don't cloud the issue with gobbledygook about the Earth's resonance.
The Earth is ever changing in displacement, density, and disposition. It may oscillate at 7~8hz, but that is due to external stimuli, and doesn't necessarily reflect it's resonance. Gravity, tides, storms, magnetic fields, solar wind and radiation all affect the planet's oscillation.
If resonance is defined as the frequency at which an object reflects the most of, if not more than, the energy level of external stimuli, then I'm not even sure the Earth's resonance can be statically measured.
The violin can be made to resonate at practically any pitch, but only with the strong, direct stimulus of the bow. Set upon the table, at which note, played by another source, does it begin to uncontrollably resonate sympathetically. That's it's resonant frequency, subject to humidity variations.

When a singer attempts to shatter a crystal goblet by singing at it's resonant frequency, the glass is always empty. Liquid would constantly change the target freq, rendering the task impossible with a single human voice.

Put your A440 tuning fork in the freezer overnight. First time you strike it in the morning it will not vibrate at 440hz.
Starting to see any parallels here?

Earth's shape shifts minutely. It's temperatures vary widely between regions and seasons. It has a liquid core. All these would affect a resonance point, and shift it accordingly.

Just an old guy rambling.

I completely agree. It makes no sense that the earth resonates at a static frequency with all the stuff that’s going on in it. But where this theory comes from then?

 

[lz4005]

Wait, what? It boggles my mind that they didn't have enough other things to settle.

It was a long treaty that established a bunch of industrial standards as well as who owned what real estate.

 

[lucianoxrp]

I had to recalibrate my tuner to A=436 to match the tuner our guitarist is using.

That sounds as a reason to fire him

 

[BooDoggie]

When something is that far out I can't tell what the notes are - seriously I have tried to jam along and can barely get within a tone of the nearest actual position on the fingerboard it was played with. I have to try and tune the source material to A=440.

If I know what key the song is played in I adjust the tuner in my DAW software until it matches. It's about the same or easier than changing the pitch on the source material to match A=440 when it's only off a few cents...

 

[dbsfgyd1]

Standard is to tune to A = 440hz, but there are several voices saying that we should be tuning to 432hz as was done in the past, to sync all harmonics to the base earth frequency of 8hz.
If anyone is doing it, have you felt any difference? Do you know availabe tuners in the market to tune at 432?

Please, be gentle

Yes, but it was by accident and made me out of tune with the rest of the ensemble...

 

[dbsfgyd1]

Standard is to tune to A = 440hz, but there are several voices saying that we should be tuning to 432hz as was done in the past, to sync all harmonics to the base earth frequency of 8hz.
If anyone is doing it, have you felt any difference? Do you know availabe tuners in the market to tune at 432?

Please, be gentle

Any one that allows for chromatic settings. Kong has one pocket tuner (the one I accidentally changed the default setting) for like 20 some bucks. Of course you could get the real expensive version like a Peterson as well;

 

[Coolhandjjl]

It’s less than 4 cents lower. Can you even tell?

 

[Dincrest]

That’s risky. Are you using a fretted instrument?

Yep. Admittedly, this isn't something to worry about on nicer instruments that hold their tuning well, but when I was starting out on cheaper instruments... And bear in mind, I used to play in raucous punk bands, so I was digging into my instruments hard.

I use a lighter touch on higher quality instruments these days so I should stay in tune with no issue, but tuning the teensiest bit sharp is still a habit for me. And I'd rather be a little sharp than flat.

 

[bassbrad]

I get the whole 440 vs 432 Hz argument as well as the just intonation argument but as a Western Musician raised on 440Hz and 12 tone tempered tuning it is ingrained or imprinted on my relative nervous memory system. I do not suffer from a perfect pitch affliction as some do.

I played with a new age keyboardist that had all her keys tuned to 432Hz and I had fretted and fretless basses set up in altered tunings specifically for the music. I also had to meditate to tune in to 432Hz before each session whether it was a rehearsal, recording or performance. It was interesting music and fairly successful but I cannot listen to those recordings because the tuning does disturb my physical balance - my wife likes them the tuning does not bother her.

 

[rufus.K]

We are all sloshing around the heliosphere... what is its freq. at any given space in time? Better tune to ‐42.55 hz of the low F string just in case

 

[bassbrad]

It’s less than 4 cents lower. Can you even tell?

Yes. I used to tune pianos.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

I’m 440, people can do 432 if they wish. I see no compelling reason to do anything other than 440.

 

[Mata Leao]

After watching that I know less than before.

 

[Sid s]

I just tune my "A" to 8hz like a bass should be, and let all you 432hz guys play 54 octaves higher in the treble registers.

Actually, each octave doubles the frequency so you'd be off less than six octaves and way out of tune.

 

[ReverendGodless]

I've noticed among my friends and acquaintances, that people who buy into this thing are usually the most kind, benevolent, easily excited and generally creative folks. People who'd rather believe in extraordinary things that are nice or fun. They just don't understand how music works. If I was a mean person, I'd call them childish hippies. I wouldn't though, because most of them are good friends and quite inspiring company in a way or another. It's amazing how little people want to address the altering of certain intervals from their correct values in order to improve the moving from key to key in this context. Wouldn't like to get into a fist fight over this, but I call BS everytime this comes up.

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

Nope.

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[Remoman]

I completely agree. It makes no sense that the earth resonates at a static frequency with all the stuff that’s going on in it. But where this theory comes from then?

From the same folks that think being touched by a particular type of crystal rock will cure cancer...

Tried this in our Jazz big band one night, our singer at the time was all excited about it. 16 tunable instruments, keys were out too involved to change, couple of saxes and I think one trumpet couldn't get to 432. the rest of us tried a couple charts. Sounded like krap.