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Are the big amps history?

And the contradiction was? There is no loss of information from an individual frame of a video just because it's digital. There is loss of information between every frame of video whether digital or analog because frames are only being recorded a small number of times per second...as few as 16 times a second for some film formats. Samplking of audio is something quite different if that's what you think the contradiction is.

Now we're into trolling, goodbye.

Don't include me in your trolling.

That is totally on your own account.

I don't really honestly believe you can't see claiming that if there was any whatsoever loss of information from the source material TV transmissions wouldn't work, then saying I am wrong when claiming there is, by now taking the totally opposite position claiming there are loss of information all over in the signal chain, then finally going back and saying there isn't really, is not a contradiction.

Whatever, you won, congratulations, have a nice day!
 
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And I've seen guys with all sorts of fancy gear and pedals who flat out wail and sound awesome, and I've seen guys with a beat up bass and simple combo amp that sound like crap. The musician makes the gear, true enough, and that's why your comparison is a false one.

Here's the deal...bigger is better for bass...always. Notice I didn't say "sometimes"...I said "always." It is physics. This is why people who buy a little cab usually end up buying two of them, and this is why tiny little PA systems with tiny little undersized subs are rarely seen on pro gigs. That is not to say little stuff can't sound good...it can. But even the best and most efficient little stuff always sounds better when it's doubled up...always.

I play both sides of the fence on this one...at 56, I've come to appreciate a nice sounding small rig because I can't do a string of one-nighters lugging an SVT and 810 to all of them, and one-nighters are about all I play anymore. I also have gigs where there are line of sight issues that require something smaller as not to block off the audience's view or hide people onstage behind me. But would I rather have the SVT and 810? Always. It just plain sounds better than my small rigs, even if I'm playing at a low volume that my small gear can easily handle. That's why I still lug it to my gigs on occasion, and it's what I always request when I do a fly gig and have to rent an amp. It has sod-all to do with impressing an audience with visuals and everything to do with creating an environment of comfort for myself onstage. The look is just a bonus. But hey, if it makes you feel better about yourself to assume otherwise, knock yourself out. Just realize I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks, least of all other bass players.

What he said.

I love my big rigs. I hate carrying them. But they sound great. The latest show I played was outdoors and on a flatbed trailer, I brought my Ampeg 8x10. Even the sound guy said "you know we're running 4x18s out front". Lol, all good, guitarist had a Marshall 1/2 stack My 8X10 looked right at home. It wasn't loud, (used my Sansamp RBI and a Peavey DPC1400x the volume knob on the amp never went past 10 o'clock). It was more for looks, we played rock and southern rock. It was either that or play through the Peavey backline combo amp that was provided not sure what model (which most did, and I wasn't impressed). We looked good and sounded good, the crowd was happy and stage sound made us happy. I have all sorts of amps and cabs I can throw together for smaller shows, less to carry. In the end I want to look professional too.
 
Why does anyone need an amp on stage at all? FOH is what the audience hears, and that's what you should hear on stage too, either from IEMs or wedges and side fills. If you are hearing your amp on stage, you might sound glorious, while what the audience is hearing is junk.

Not true at all, I regularly get compliments on the sound of my setup (SVT and whatever bass I use that night) from audience members. People don't really comment until they've seen your band at least a few times and feel comfortable approaching you but they do notice at least if they're music lovers and especially if they're bass lovers.
 
I like big powerful amps and cabs . . . lots of them. If I had the space I would have a few or a variety room of them. Jeebus this thread has gone down the deepest of rabbit holes.
So as long as I'm alive and to quote Terry Pratchett's Granny Weatherwax "I ain't dead". They will forever be historical but not history, as left in past, yet.
Big or small rock low, but for the gods sake, move the science part of the thread to the Bill Nye area.
 
Actually, they did. The Wall of Sound was the first use of line arrays on tour, though not in their present form.

There were three crews and three sets of scaffolding, plus the regular show crew. One set was being erected, one was built, awaiting the show crew, and one was being torn down, to leapfrog to the next venue. The logistics were crazy.

They only played something like 15-20 shows with that stuff, too expensive. They said it sounded unbelievable though. The drummer said he was always afraid that the speakers on top of him were going to fall on his head.
 
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I have had a massive reevaluation of gear staying and going over the last few months. I own and use IEM regularly. I love them. As far as amps go, i have held on to my Fender Super Bassman with either Fender 610 or 410 Neo. I also have a Berg B Amp which I am still learning and loving already which I run with NV115s.

My best sounding rig is the Fender SB/610 combo. Without question. Last night in a very big room I used this rig, with my IEM.
I heard it, felt it, the lug was worth it. I love gigging without IEM, but I sing better with them, and also enjoy the precision of IEM.

There is so many great options. Old and new.
 
re: wall of sound - yeah, I wouldn't of wanted that thing hanging above me, I read somewhere what the weight of that "tweeter unit" was, it was REAL heavy.

For the greatest big rig of all time I would like to nominate Glenn Hughes rig at the California Jam circa 1974, that was a big 'un. Of course Phil Lesh's portion of the wall of sound must have been impressive as well wherever it was in that stack
 
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re: wall of sound - yeah, I wouldn't of wanted that thing hanging above me, I read somewhere what the weight of that "tweeter unit" was, it was REAL heavy.

For the greatest big rig of all time I would like to nominate Glenn Hughes rig at the California Jam circa 1974, that was a big 'un. Of course Phil Lesh's portion of the wall of sound must have been impressive as well wherever it was in that stack

I recall Bill Kreutzman said he was perpetually anxious playing below that tweeter array.
 
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Not true at all, I regularly get compliments on the sound of my setup (SVT and whatever bass I use that night) from audience members. People don't really comment until they've seen your band at least a few times and feel comfortable approaching you but they do notice at least if they're music lovers and especially if they're bass lovers.

Yep. The SVT sounds better, and other players notice when they're using something else and then hear you playing the same stage.
 
I've weighed in on this thread regarding my mid-sized instead of "full size" strategy regarding vintage bass amps and cabs, but alas i just stumbled on a delimma. An Acoustic 405 cab w/original white dome speakers in good condition and 20 minutes away for $225 (!) or best offer. Pretty sure they'll bargain and/or consider trades. It would be just magnificent with my vintage 270 head.
This would be the final piece in my living bass history mini museum and will probably only see the light of stage a few times before i go to the great jam session in the sky (i'm very healthy but sheesh i'm 64)
I also have all the modern lightweight gear i'll ever need already so this is a passion piece for me as are all of my recent vintage amp and cab purchases.
Can someone please talk me out of this 'cause it's calling to me from afar like the sirens calling sailors to their doom.
 
I've weighed in on this thread regarding my mid-sized instead of "full size" strategy regarding vintage bass amps and cabs, but alas i just stumbled on a delimma. An Acoustic 405 cab w/original white dome speakers in good condition and 20 minutes away for $225 (!) or best offer. Pretty sure they'll bargain and/or consider trades. It would be just magnificent with my vintage 270 head.
This would be the final piece in my living bass history mini museum and will probably only see the light of stage a few times before i go to the great jam session in the sky (i'm very healthy but sheesh i'm 64)
I also have all the modern lightweight gear i'll ever need already so this is a passion piece for me as are all of my recent vintage amp and cab purchases.
Can someone please talk me out of this 'cause it's calling to me from afar like the sirens calling sailors to their doom.

I looked it up and found it was a guitar cab, I'm 64 too. Keep rocking.
 
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I've weighed in on this thread regarding my mid-sized instead of "full size" strategy regarding vintage bass amps and cabs, but alas i just stumbled on a delimma. An Acoustic 405 cab w/original white dome speakers in good condition and 20 minutes away for $225 (!) or best offer. Pretty sure they'll bargain and/or consider trades. It would be just magnificent with my vintage 270 head.
This would be the final piece in my living bass history mini museum and will probably only see the light of stage a few times before i go to the great jam session in the sky (i'm very healthy but sheesh i'm 64)
I also have all the modern lightweight gear i'll ever need already so this is a passion piece for me as are all of my recent vintage amp and cab purchases.
Can someone please talk me out of this 'cause it's calling to me from afar like the sirens calling sailors to their doom.
From one bass player in his 60's to another, my advice is to simply "answer the call" and enjoy! :thumbsup:
 
I've weighed in on this thread regarding my mid-sized instead of "full size" strategy regarding vintage bass amps and cabs, but alas i just stumbled on a delimma. An Acoustic 405 cab w/original white dome speakers in good condition and 20 minutes away for $225 (!) or best offer. Pretty sure they'll bargain and/or consider trades. It would be just magnificent with my vintage 270 head.
This would be the final piece in my living bass history mini museum and will probably only see the light of stage a few times before i go to the great jam session in the sky (i'm very healthy but sheesh i'm 64)
I also have all the modern lightweight gear i'll ever need already so this is a passion piece for me as are all of my recent vintage amp and cab purchases.
Can someone please talk me out of this 'cause it's calling to me from afar like the sirens calling sailors to their doom.


Hey, all you "Old Fogeys!" Kwitcherbellyachin'!:roflmao:

I'm still a while away from AARP bustin' my ballz, but for the record:
(And Ghost, no I won't try & talk you out of buying that cabinet.):laugh:

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