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Atkinson basses new website and model

For the record... it was a couple of commercial bass builders that warned Dan.
Just wanted to clarify that. :)

I also think it appears that Dan puts together a nice product, and I wouldn't mind giving one a whirl someday, as I've stated in other threads.

I challenged him to develop his own headstock design and not use Fender's tradmarked headstock also warning about Fender's proper defense of their trademarks. Quite a load was dumped on me for that. I also commented favorably when he drifted away form Fender's design recently.

Interesting how it worked out in the end.
 
It looks like the trolls are going to feed themselves. :p

If pointing out that you've been a victim of your own making by not doing the propper research on the TM situation (after you were advised to) , and questioning your knowledge of Nash's situation, which you have spouted off in numerous threads makes me a troll, then so be it. ;)

Still, I hope you find a reasonable resolution to your problem, regardless of my "troll" status.

Remember this "Troll" was a potential customer of yours. ;)
 
Thanks for the clarification. I think I was confused because your website suggests you're a builder, while you're actually an assembler and finisher who doesn't actually build anything.

I am curious what you mean by this. There are many builders who don't carve their own body and or neck.

You can certainly build something without having have created each of it's components.
 
I am curious what you mean by this. There are many builders who don't carve their own body and or neck.

You can certainly build something without having have created each of it's components.

Thanks, Peter. You're right.

I think Bill Nash says it perfectly in his FAQ:

"Nash is not a luthier and these guitars are just assembled from parts."

By far my favorite subject that people get all upset about. The above statement is 100% true. I could no more cut down a tree and make a guitar out of it than I could dance ballet (though my wife likes when I try). I would not want to anyway as it does not interest me. I have a great respect and admiration for those who can, but it is not what I want to do.

In my opinion, unless you are making guitars with set necks, and actually making the bulk of the parts you use, then you are assembling guitars from parts. Now, the big difference between me and many of my colleagues, competitors and the like, is that I actually admit to not making my necks and bodies. Very few manufactures make their own wood parts unless they are in the top two tiers of guitar makers. It is not my goal to "out" anyone so I will not be specific, but you may be quite surprised at who makes what for who.

Bill is exactly right. When you buy a Fender, or Ibanez, or Schecter, or Warwick, you are buying a "parts bass". The guy who installs the electronics and does the setup had absolutely nothing to do with the neck or body. It came down a conveyer belt, he did his thing, and passed it on to the next guy.
 
I really, really miss that bass. I sold it to raise some funds for my 3 Evoke prototypes. :crying:

Hmm..this will be a good thing...

But I'm curious...

Your thoughts on the tone of the bass...love the freakin' demo by the way...sweet.

Tone Knob Vs No Tone Knob...

What's missing? In 20 years of P bassing...I've never touched the Tone knob (open all the way), but that's just me..

Let me know..I'm thrilled that I found this thread and your stuff!
 
Hmm..this will be a good thing...

But I'm curious...

Your thoughts on the tone of the bass...

Tone Knob Vs No Tone Knob...

What's missing? In 20 years of P bassing...I've never touched the Tone knob, but that's just me..

Let me know..I'm thrilled that I found this thread and your stuff!

Well, I do all my tone shaping on my amp, or on a preamp in studio. I never touch the tone knob either. So for many of the basses I've built for myself, I either don't install one or don't wire it in.

The signal is a bit more "pure" that way. Because even with the tone wide open, it still has a slight impact on your sound.
 
Well, I do all my tone shaping on my amp, or on a preamp in studio. I never touch the tone knob either. So for many of the basses I've built for myself, I either don't install one or don't wire it in.

The signal is a bit more "pure" that way. Because even with the tone wide open, it still has a slight impact on your sound.

Does it make a difference in your personal pickup up choice...

as in "Oh, the Fralin works great with the Tone Knob, but the DiMarzio KILLS without it"?

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I am curious what you mean by this. There are many builders who don't carve their own body and or neck.

You can certainly build something without having have created each of it's components.

I'm not trying to make a value judgment. I am seeking clarification. We all have different backgrounds and expectations. Having no idea who Nash is, or how he works, I completely missed the implications for Atkinson's business model. My confusion stems from my background and expectations, and the significance my colleagues and I attach to craftsmanship.

When one of my woodworking students tells me they made a table, I expect them to have completed every aspect of the work themselves (except making the hardware) unless they make a disclosure to the contrary.

OTOH, if a student were to tell me they purchased four legs and a table top, and assembled and finished them, my expectations, and my assessment of their contribution to the completed project, would be completely different.

I would say the first student built a table, while the second student assembled and finished furniture components made by someone else. If the second student claimed to have built the table without disclosing the facts, I'd consider this akin to plagiarism and they'd receive a failing grade.

Please consider my statement a disclosure of my bias, and not an indictment of Mr. Atkinson.
 
I'm not trying to make a value judgment. I am seeking clarification. We all have different backgrounds and expectations. Having no idea who Nash is, or how he works, I completely missed the implications for Atkinson's business model. My confusion stems from my background and expectations, and the significance my colleagues and I attach to craftsmanship.

When one of my woodworking students tells me they made a table, I expect them to have completed every aspect of the work themselves (except making the hardware) unless they make a disclosure to the contrary.

OTOH, if a student were to tell me they purchased four legs and a table top, and assembled and finished them, my expectations, and my assessment of their contribution to the completed project, would be completely different.

I would say the first student built a table, while the second student assembled and finished furniture components made by someone else. If the second student claimed to have built the table without disclosing the facts, I'd consider this akin to plagiarism and they'd receive a failing grade.

Please consider my statement a disclosure of my bias, and not an indictment of Mr. Atkinson.

I could see how you might view it that way.

But the word "build" is defined as follows:

BUILD –verb (used with object)
1. to construct (esp. something complex) by assembling and joining parts or materials.​

Therefore I am a custom bass "builder".

If I crafted every component of my basses from scratch, I would label myself as a "maker of hand-made custom basses". That is a very rare breed.
 
When one of my woodworking students tells me they made a table, I expect them to have completed every aspect of the work themselves (except making the hardware) unless they make a disclosure to the contrary.

I would say the first student built a table, while the second student assembled and finished furniture components made by someone else. If the second student claimed to have built the table without disclosing the facts, I'd consider this akin to plagiarism and they'd receive a failing grade.

Analogies are all well and good, but what does this have to do with basses? Are semantics really that critical in this case? And where exactly do you draw the line?

Which bass "builders" chop down a tree and then end up with a finished bass? If they buy a blank are they "cheating"? If they use CNC and "don't disclose" are they guilty of plagiarism? And what about if they send it to someone else for paint/finish?

These pissing matches are usually just that - there is no "truth" to be unearthed, and the outrage expressed by some is laughable. But then again, this is the interwebs, and golly-gosh-darn, this is IMPORTANT!!!