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AudioKinesis 1x12 Cab Part Two
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Thanks for the update Duke, communicating the delay is better than having your eager customers wondering how things stand delivery-wise.
EDIT: Lucky for me I have another really great cab to get me by until then - my Thunderchild 12
Agreed. I have boxes to get me by in the meantime and your honesty is appreciated.
I asked this on the double bass side. I was hoping to hear from someone with experience over here as well.
Has anyone tried the Thunderchild (acoustic friendly version hopefully) with an EA Doubler, Old Walter Woods greenlight (MM Series) or the stereo Walter Woods amber light (it can be run in mono)? I'm just hoping to head off any compatibility issues like "Oh the Thunderchilds work great with all the small amps except [the ones I own]. Didn't you hear about that?"
I'm hoping I can use the EA Doubler since ch 2 has so many nice tweeks available for acoustic bass and channel one works fine for electric bass.
Thanks for any help or experience.
bob
Has anyone tried the Thunderchild (acoustic friendly version hopefully) with an EA Doubler, Old Walter Woods greenlight (MM Series) or the stereo Walter Woods amber light (it can be run in mono)? I'm just hoping to head off any compatibility issues like "Oh the Thunderchilds work great with all the small amps except [the ones I own]. Didn't you hear about that?"
I'm hoping I can use the EA Doubler since ch 2 has so many nice tweeks available for acoustic bass and channel one works fine for electric bass.
Thanks for any help or experience.
bob
^I haven't used it with those amps, but I used it yesterday with my DB + genz benz shuttle 3.0.
Sounds amazing. I don't see why it wouldn't work with those amps.
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On a different note, for home audio I've been boosting about 3db around 50hz, and cutting aprox 2db in the highest octave, and it sounds perfect to me for movies and music playback. I'm guessing the high end cut is related to low level listening (Fletcher-munson?) or maybe I'm just not used to that kind of top end. It sounds better with a slight cut up there. Not for bass though, with electric and acoustic bass, this cab sounds perfect with the EQ set flat on any amp I own, but also responds very nicely to EQ when I feel like it. I think I'm in love
How I describe this cab is "a high end PA cab that can also do bass & bass instruments." Just what I wanted.
Sounds amazing. I don't see why it wouldn't work with those amps.
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On a different note, for home audio I've been boosting about 3db around 50hz, and cutting aprox 2db in the highest octave, and it sounds perfect to me for movies and music playback. I'm guessing the high end cut is related to low level listening (Fletcher-munson?) or maybe I'm just not used to that kind of top end. It sounds better with a slight cut up there. Not for bass though, with electric and acoustic bass, this cab sounds perfect with the EQ set flat on any amp I own, but also responds very nicely to EQ when I feel like it. I think I'm in love
How I describe this cab is "a high end PA cab that can also do bass & bass instruments." Just what I wanted.
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On a different note, for home audio I've been boosting about 3db around 50hz, and cutting aprox 2db in the highest octave, and it sounds perfect to me for movies and music playback. I'm guessing the high end cut is related to low level listening (Fletcher-munson?) or maybe I'm just not used to that kind of top end. It sounds better with a slight cut up there. Not for bass though, with electric and acoustic bass, this cab sounds perfect with the EQ set flat on any amp I own, but also responds very nicely to EQ when I feel like it. I think I'm in love
Very interesting! You see, I "voice" my home audio speakers with a very gently downward-sloping frequency response curve, and I voiced the Thunderchild closer to "flat" to make up for playing in a big room full of people, and as a result I consider it just a wee bit "hot" for recorded music. I am very impressed with your ears, Thud - your assessment of the top end is right on the money, in my opinion.
If you get a second one at some point in the future (hint, hint), I'd recommend setting them up with a good 45 degrees of toe-in so that the criss-cross in front of the center of the sweet spot. This puts your normal listening position somewhat off-axis so the top end isn't as hot, and gives you a wider-than-normal sweet spot. Also, most horns sound a bit better when you're not directly on-axis, which is where the inevitable reflection around the "mouth" of the horn is most coherent.
The bottom end... well, it's theoretically about 5 dB down at 50 Hz, so once again your assessment is right on the money. A bit more meat at 50 Hz is welcome on kickdrum, and improves the overall tonal balance.
That's good to hear Duke, I feel better about using that little bit of EQ now.
I will get another one eventually, but it might be quite a while. Money, ya know.
I will get another one eventually, but it might be quite a while. Money, ya know.
Played through Passinwind's cab this evening. Barker Brio w/graphtech piezo, GK MB2-500 barely breathing and.. That is one impressive cab!
While I didn't have these cabs at the same time, I can tell you that they are totally different. The NL-210 has the typical upper mid brightness and upper treble extension that many neo loaded 2 way cabs have. While they don't sound identical, the NL-210 is in roughly the same tonal space as, for example, the Bergantino AE210.
The Thunderchild is actually a bit closer to the original EA VL210, which was a three way design with a low crossover point for the mids, and a relatively subtle, high crossover point tweeter.... big low end, no lower or upper mid spike, and a more gentle upper treble top end that sounds a bit more 'paper cone' than the typical tweeter in a two way cab.
Quite different than the newer NL-210 (which I believe is no longer in production), which again is a more typical 2 way woofer/tweeter design (which I like also!).
Thanks. Appreciate the comparison. I am mulling over getting another combo for small gigs vs getting a small high quality cab for low volume and DB work. The thought of one handing a fly weight combo is pretty intoxicating, but I think I'd get better performance from a nice small 4 ohm cab paired with my thunderfunk.
The TC112 will keep up with the NL210 (or any 210 for that matter) in total volume and non compressed low end.
I had a buddy over a while back with a TF750, and while it sounded very good with the TC112, it didn't fit on top.... kind of two rubber feet on and two off. We got my Markbass F500 to sound VERY close. That rig might be a good option for you if you are willing to spend the cash, and it will cover all but a 'slammin 410' gig IMO and much IME!
Well crud. I am almost positive the 750 is in the same case as my 550. Guess I'll have to contemplate a head swap if I wind up going the thunderchild route.
Or, take the rubber feet off the amp and use a stick on set for the bottom in different places. Or use a little foam rubber mat or something.
* use what sounds good and don't overthink stuff like things fitting on other things
I watched an amp take a nosedive off a cabinet that it didn't set well on in the middle of a gig once. Punched the 1/4" in into the amp requiring a good bit of repair. I'm more concerned with stability than aesthetics.
Put the cab atop the amp, or to the side
Pfft. Sure. Be all logical about the situation.
Is there any harm in laying the TC112 on its side? And yes, the 750 is the same as the 550 as I recall, and if it's different, it's not by much, and would probably be bigger, not smaller would be my guess... but I think they're the same.
No physical harm, but it kind of defeats the purpose of getting a high-tech cab with exceptionally good dispersion characteristics.
I've been using larger heads (SWR and others) with small-footprint cabs for years, without incident. It's a simple thing to move the existing feet if required, or install an extra set in the area between them.
If Kael really wanted to do his Thunderfunk a favour, he could start placing it on a stand or small table, so that it isn't subject to vibration transfer from his cabs....
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