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AudioKinesis 1x12 Cab Part Two
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- Apr 3, 2003
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Hahhah, gmail decided to put my daily thread update in spam for the first time. I wonder if it was the conversation? 
Why thank you dear sir.....I seem to bring levity wherever I go in my "old age"....at least I left my mark on TB.....lol....wonder if I should put this on my tombstone, I think it would beat "I told you I was sick".......
Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled programming: Any more gig reports, especially with the AF version?
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Thursday I played a very large winery space with upwards of 75 people on the dance floor for two sets and about the same sitting at tables. There were 11 musicians, including a 4 piece horn section and a loud drummer. I had to set my amp in "rock" mode, which I rarely do with my EUB, but the TCAF carried the room just fine.
I gigged last weekend with my TCAF. Jazz groups, used both electric & upright. I normally use my genzbenz shuttle 3.0-10T combo for these gigs. This time I used just the 3.0 head with my TCAF, which puts out 300watts @ 4ohms. I played some relatively big areas outdoors and it carried just fine. It sounded similar to the genz combo (probably due to using the same head) but with more low extension. I usually boost the lows slightly and didn't have to with the TCAF.
I thought the TCAF sounded better than the combo cab, but didn't realize how much better it sounded until I listened to the recordings made by a zoom recorder out front (on one gig the recorder was way off axis, as well) and compared it to some older recordings with the GB combo. The rest of the band(s) could hear me better also.
This cab sounds so good with the upright, I seriously thought the GB combo sounded pretty amazing considering how small it was, but TCAF blows it away. Of course the cab is about twice as expensive but still, it's worth it. Oh, I usually cut some sort of mids and/or highs with the GB combo, which is your standard woofer+tweeter hi-passed around 5hz. I don't have to cut anything when using TCAF. Doesn't sound shrill or thin at all when set flat.
A note on carrying the cab. It's not difficult to carry, but I carried it about 4 blocks just to test it out. I wouldn't call it a heavy cab, but I wouldn't say it was fun to carry it a distance. My hand was cramping a bit, the top handle is the only downside I see with this cab, it's not bad but not the most comfortable for me. I HIGHLY recommend getting side handles (vertical) on the cab. I'm going to add them eventually. It also would make it easier to move the cab when there's a head on top.
I thought the TCAF sounded better than the combo cab, but didn't realize how much better it sounded until I listened to the recordings made by a zoom recorder out front (on one gig the recorder was way off axis, as well) and compared it to some older recordings with the GB combo. The rest of the band(s) could hear me better also.
This cab sounds so good with the upright, I seriously thought the GB combo sounded pretty amazing considering how small it was, but TCAF blows it away. Of course the cab is about twice as expensive but still, it's worth it. Oh, I usually cut some sort of mids and/or highs with the GB combo, which is your standard woofer+tweeter hi-passed around 5hz. I don't have to cut anything when using TCAF. Doesn't sound shrill or thin at all when set flat.
A note on carrying the cab. It's not difficult to carry, but I carried it about 4 blocks just to test it out. I wouldn't call it a heavy cab, but I wouldn't say it was fun to carry it a distance. My hand was cramping a bit, the top handle is the only downside I see with this cab, it's not bad but not the most comfortable for me. I HIGHLY recommend getting side handles (vertical) on the cab. I'm going to add them eventually. It also would make it easier to move the cab when there's a head on top.
Still digging mine a LOT. Per the above, very full, even tone, with a surprising amount of real low end making it out in the room, even at relatively high volumes.
I've done reasonably loud pop gigs with mine. I do feel the need to add a bit of upper mids, since I'm one who like a bit of grind in my sound, but other than that, I run my Markbass F500 flat, and it sounds great.
I use a Kart-a-bag Concourse III with mine and it works great. Cab, stand and head on the cart (strapped in with the attached bunjee cords) and bass on the back. The stairwalkers are great on that cart... no unloading to go up and down a few stairs, and it cruised over curbs.
I have hand carried a few times over short distances, and that thickly padded top handle is wonderful for one handing. I do agree that moving the cab on stage once the head is on top is a bit cumbersome, but that is a minor deal.
Wonderful cab.... even, smooth, and not so much deeply voiced as it is capable of really pounding that 50hz and above mid bass to shockingly loud levels.
I use my amazing Bergantino AE210 when I want a more aggressive, grindy, punchy small rig. For the jazz stuff I do, and light pop/funk gigs, it is the Thunderchild all the way.
Amazing little box, and a wonderful match with the F500. I use the treble roll-off with my P, and it is just paper cone wonderful!
I've done reasonably loud pop gigs with mine. I do feel the need to add a bit of upper mids, since I'm one who like a bit of grind in my sound, but other than that, I run my Markbass F500 flat, and it sounds great.
I use a Kart-a-bag Concourse III with mine and it works great. Cab, stand and head on the cart (strapped in with the attached bunjee cords) and bass on the back. The stairwalkers are great on that cart... no unloading to go up and down a few stairs, and it cruised over curbs.
I have hand carried a few times over short distances, and that thickly padded top handle is wonderful for one handing. I do agree that moving the cab on stage once the head is on top is a bit cumbersome, but that is a minor deal.
Wonderful cab.... even, smooth, and not so much deeply voiced as it is capable of really pounding that 50hz and above mid bass to shockingly loud levels.
I use my amazing Bergantino AE210 when I want a more aggressive, grindy, punchy small rig. For the jazz stuff I do, and light pop/funk gigs, it is the Thunderchild all the way.
Amazing little box, and a wonderful match with the F500. I use the treble roll-off with my P, and it is just paper cone wonderful!
I'm assuming this is also you saying that, of the different heads you currently have, the F500 is your perfect matchup for the TC112. I'm expecting I'll also like that combo, though I'm very interested to hear it with the GK MB200. Something a little different about that head vs all the other MB's. Dunno exactly what, how, or why, but pretty much everybody who's tried one agrees it seems to sound "better" somehow.
I'm planning to get back into some jazz combo work later this year and all of next, and I'm looking to the MB200/TC112 to be my "jazz rig". Ridiculously portable and formidable at the same time. I have high hopes.
Jazzdogg
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Thanks for the tip, Ken.
I found a Concorde III:Amazon.com: Remin Kart-a-Bag Concorde III: Clothing
Is this the one?
If you were ordering a TC for the first time, would you opt for side handles in addition to the top handle?
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Thanks for the tip, Ken.
Amazon.com: Remin Kart-a-Bag Concorde III: Clothing
Is this the one?
If you were ordering a TC for the first time, would you opt for side handles in addition to the top handle?
That's the one. It is not cheap, but super high quality, and it folds up to about the size of a phone book, which is great for small stages where you don't have a lot of storage. The only downside to it is that the platform could use another couple of inches in depth. However, it really isn't an issue, and once you have the bunjees in place, it is very stable. The coolest thing again is how easy it goes over curbs, etc. I've walked many blocks with my small rigs on this and my bass on my back with no problem.
You know, I probably wouldn't get the side handles myself. I really haven't had an issue, and I kind of like the super clean look of the thing. Just IMO there.
Edit: I also have the Super 600 model. That is heavy duty but still folds up small, and can handle a 212 cab. If you were looking for a single cart that can handle small and large cabs, that would be the one. If you want the smallest, lightest cart that will do the job with the Thunderchild, then the Concourse III is the one.
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The Thunderchild does like some power to get to full volume. I feel it can take everything the F500 can give it, and you need to crank the master a bit.
I've never heard the little 200. As you know, I'm not a fan of the other MB heads... just too goosed and aggressive for me with the instruments I use. However, the Thunderchild really does a nice job of sweetening the top end and handling big low end. The LMII/III is REALLY nice with this cab. Hard to make this cab sound 'not good'.
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