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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...

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This is embarrassing. I lost track of someone.

A few months ago I corresponded with someone (in the Northeastern US as I recall) and asked him if he'd be interested in testing an experimental 4x15 cab. I have searched through my messages and e-mails and haven't been able to locate that correspondence so I could follow up with an update.

So whoever you are, my apologies for losing track, and could you please shoot me an e-mail or message?

Thanks!
 
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Duke, I hope this not a stupid question??

I exclusively use Epifani UL 410 cabs and Ampeg SVT 810
Blues, funk. rock. reggae, swing , RnB

Would the Hathor 1855 4 ohm cover all that and replace my cabs?
Does slapping sound good through it?
 
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murphy said:
Duke, I hope this not a stupid question??

I exclusively use Epifani UL 410 cabs and Ampeg SVT 810
Blues, funk. rock. reggae, swing , RnB

Would the Hathor 1855 4 ohm cover all that and replace my cabs?
Does slapping sound good through it?
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This is just my opinion:

Blues, I think so. Funk, I think so. Rock, definitely. Reggae, yes but you'll need to roll off the top end even more than the switches do. Swing, I don't know. RnB, yes.

I think the Hathor 1855 would work pretty well for slap, but it doesn't go super high. I'm not sure it would be a great choice for jazz, and would not recommend it for double bass.

That being said, I'm not a musician (just a speaker geek), so give greater weight to any comments from real musicians.

I would expect the Hathor 1855 to be less efficient than your cabs, so you'd need more amplifier power to get back to the same sound pressure level.
 
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I'm *still* loving my TC118. Got to thump around a bit with it again tonight and am still impressed. I need to get it to a place where I can truly let it open up soon.

As some may know, I use the Axe-Fx II system (amp/cab/fx modeling). A desire for those of us who use these are "FRFR" - Full Range, Flat Response type speakers. Something that is generally even and lets you hear the nuances in your setup very well. The TC118 delivers this for me in spades, for all of the instruments we use it for. I still can't believe it. It's like a magical cab. Magical cab full of awesome.

Hope everything is going well for you, Duke!
 
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Selta said:
As some may know, I use the Axe-Fx II system (amp/cab/fx modeling). A desire for those of us who use these are "FRFR" - Full Range, Flat Response type speakers. Something that is generally even and lets you hear the nuances in your setup very well. The TC118 delivers this for me in spades, for all of the instruments we use it for. I still can't believe it. It's like a magical cab. Magical cab full of awesome.
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The TC118 is probably a bit bigger than most FRFR cabs, thanks to its bass cab heritage, but the more capable low end probably comes in handy in some cases.

I haven't tried to break into the FRFR market yet, but your post is encouraging, needless to say.

Selta said:
Hope everything is going well for you, Duke!
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Thank you!

The sale of our home and subsequent move to Texas is held up by our buyer's buyer having problems, and so we don't know when the closing will happen... might be tomorrow, might be in two weeks, but we're confident that it will indeed happen.

I found out yesterday that one of my home audio products (a somewhat unorthodox subwoofer system) received an Editor's Choice award in the February 2015 issue of The Absolute Sound magazine. So things are indeed going well for me and my little enterprise.
 
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I found out yesterday that one of my home audio products (a somewhat unorthodox subwoofer system) received an Editor's Choice award in the February 2015 issue of The Absolute Sound magazine. So things are indeed going well for me and my little enterprise.[/QUOTE]

Congratulations !!!! You can't do much better. Good things happen to good people.
My brother was a senior editor for that mag for years.
 
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Selta said:
I'm *still* loving my TC118. Got to thump around a bit with it again tonight and am still impressed. I need to get it to a place where I can truly let it open up soon.

As some may know, I use the Axe-Fx II system (amp/cab/fx modeling). A desire for those of us who use these are "FRFR" - Full Range, Flat Response type speakers. Something that is generally even and lets you hear the nuances in your setup very well. The TC118 delivers this for me in spades, for all of the instruments we use it for. I still can't believe it. It's like a magical cab. Magical cab full of awesome.

Hope everything is going well for you, Duke!
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Hey Ray,

Now that you've had actual ownership of your TC118 for a bit, what kind of total SPL capacity would you say that it has? Opened up to its reasonable limits (full power just short of power compression, speaker stress and/or distortion), going all out, "in the wild"?

How large a space would you say it can comfortably cover on its own at full volume? Roughly equivalent in output to what type of conventional/traditional bass cab? A 4x12? An 8x10? A folded horn? More? Less?

Grazie,

MM
 
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Mystic Michael said:
Hey Ray,

Now that you've had actual ownership of your TC118 for a bit, what kind of total SPL capacity would you say that it has? Opened up to its reasonable limits (full power just short of power compression, speaker stress and/or distortion), going all out, "in the wild"?

How large a space would you say it can comfortably cover on its own at full volume? Roughly equivalent in output to what type of conventional/traditional bass cab? A 4x12? An 8x10? A folded horn? More? Less?

Grazie,

MM
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Overall SPL is hard to judge. I've pushed this thing, a good bit, on at least three occasions - at the 2014 GTG with Passinwind's DIY 500W, and twice off one side of my QSC.
At the GTG, I'm pretty sure we basically had that amp dimed, or very nearly so (@Passinwind do you remember by chance?), and the cab just did not break a sweat. I was standing right next to it and was getting fuzzy vision. It was ridiculous. I'm pretty sure we were shaking bottles in the bar.
At home, I only got to drive it hard for a few minutes. The real test will be if/when I can open it up hard for a long time, get the voice coil good and hot and see what happens in a more gig-like situation. Next time I crank it up, I'll at least grab the SPL app on my phone to get a guess at how much it's pushing. If I can get studio time in the next couple of weeks, I'll be sure to do that and let you know.

I would say that this single cab, driven with adequate power - I think the limit is 600W, so say driving with 450-600W - will *easily* cover typical bar band / cover band type gigs with little to no PA support needed. I can see it covering the bars here, which will hold 75 - 100 people on its own, even with a drummer who hits somewhat hard. If you have a LOUD drummer, full stack guitars it'll hold it's own, but that is likely approaching it's limit as a single cab solution. If I had to write a guess on limit I would say - 4/5 piece rock band in a bar with no PA for bass that comfortably holds 100+ people would be the max I'd want to push a single TC118 to. If you have an exceptionally loud drummer, or guitarists who insist they need to be at 11 through 4x12s to get "Their tone", then you'll have to scale back the venue size a little. It's a great cab, magical even, but even magic can't overcome stupid.

Of note, I don't drive for a lot of deep lows. I go for more low-mids and mids in my tone, which obviously contributes to an increased in perceived volume (easier for the amp + cab to drive those than low-lows).

From my personal experience, I would equate it to the volume of at least a good, efficient 4x10, if not a 6x10. Probably not quite the same as an 8x10 - but also, the tone of an 8x10 (sealed) is hugely different, too. Also, of course, keep in mind that the 8x10 and 6x10s have drivers closer to ear level, which changes perception. If you had a TC118 on a stand, and a good amount of power pushing through it, your on-stage volume will be ridiculous, and it'd carry most bars pretty easily. Outdoors, I have no idea as I haven't played an outdoor show in years, especially one without a great PA. Large venues, again, I play them often but we have a very serious PA and a dedicated sound engineer, so my experience is not likely to match someone who's hoping this single cab to carry say a 400+ person room.

Hope that helps give you an idea of what this can do.
 
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Selta said:
Overall SPL is hard to judge. I've pushed this thing, a good bit, on at least three occasions - at the 2014 GTG with Passinwind's DIY 500W, and twice off one side of my QSC.
At the GTG, I'm pretty sure we basically had that amp dimed, or very nearly so (@Passinwind do you remember by chance?), and the cab just did not break a sweat. I was standing right next to it and was getting fuzzy vision. It was ridiculous. I'm pretty sure we were shaking bottles in the bar.
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Hey Ray, during that loudest interlude I think we were using my DIY 1000 watter, possibly in "quasi-IP mode", which has multiband compression and high pass filtering programmed into the DSP. There was another notch or two left in the tank on the amp side, so we could've gone a bit louder in an appropriate venue. When we had the 500 watter hooked up and more or less dimed it, that cab just laughed IIRC.
 
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#1,997
So glad to hear you're coming to TEXAS! I can now start seriously considering which of your cabs would suit me best in my TX blues, R&B, soul bands. I typically use my new 212AV/112AV's w/100 w V4B, Genz Benz NX2-212T w/GKMB800 or GB SM 12.2 and a couple other cabs and 1500 w pre/pwer amp options. And always with 5 string basses.

This recent use of different cab information in this thread will be helpful. AND just maybe shipping one of your TC cabs within TX may make for less shipping $$ fee. Ya reckon?
Heck, may even call for a road trip to pick up the new cab, if that's even an option. YeeHaw! :hyper: ;)
 
#1,998
Panic stations! My TC-112 stopped working! I was at my lesson tonight, my tea her was playing de through it, and it just stopped working. The horn still works. I took the speaker out and put a 9V battery to the terminals and nothing.
Is it dead? Can I get a new speaker? HELP!
Thanks guys
 
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El Spearo said:
Panic stations! My TC-112 stopped working! I was at my lesson tonight, my tea her was playing de through it, and it just stopped working. The horn still works. I took the speaker out and put a 9V battery to the terminals and nothing.
Is it dead? Can I get a new speaker? HELP!
Thanks guys
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If the woofer fails to respond to the battery test, then it's dead. I would guess that a wire broke somewhere, as that doesn't sound like an overheated voice coil. This is a first in my experience. Anyway shoot me an e-mail or PM with your current shipping address and we'll send you a new one.

The next person to post will have posted the 2000th post in this thread. Sweet!
 
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