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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...
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Passinwind
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The one with the Faital 8s seems like it might be the sweet spot, can we see a pic of that please?
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Thank you, Leon!
Dimensions are 22" tall x 12" wide x 18" deep, and the idea with the somehat suitcase-shaped configuration is to make it a more manageable one-hand carry than would normally be the case for a cab its weight (37 pounds). Personally, I'd rather put it on a dolly if any significant distance was involved.
You mentioned that this cab might be the "sweet spot"... I think it has a fair chance. The big questions are of course:
1) Does the wider (ballpark 240-degree) dispersion deliver a significant improvement over a more traditional pattern? And,
2) If so, will enough bass players care to make it commercially viable?
Answering the first question calls for beta-testing, and answering the second calls for tossing it into the arena and seeing what happens. First things first!
That's not, like, incredibly cool looking or anything. So the speaker is a 16 ohm version of what's in the crazy 88 with more low end? Sweet. That speaker sounded rich to my ears.
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When or if you get to TX. I am looking forward to seeing your cabs in person. And doing a test spin... Lots of great guitar stuff here but not much bass gear... If you are in Allen, Anna, McKinney area, you will need to look up George at Guitar Sanctuary. He has a nice boutique type shop...
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The 16-ohm version has a little bit more low end based on the T/S parameters, and then a bit more still due to the geometry. You see, the lows from the side-firing woofers wrap around and reinforce the output of the front woofers in-phase. But as the wavelengths get shorter, they stop wrapping around and just contribute to the net reverberant energy in the room, adding in semi-random phase. So we get a warming up of the bottom end, a wider pattern, and (on paper at least) a reduction in the efficiency in the midrange and treble region. I say "on paper" because the same amount of energy goes out into the room, actually a bit more because there's less cancellation of those shorter wavelengths.
With any cab, you also get the long wavelengths wrapping around the sides, back, everywhere, but without adding some mids and highs to go along with, the tonal balance in those directions is dull. So my hope is that adding some mids and highs off to the sides is beneficial, and I hope that the relative proportions just happen to be right, as there's not a lot of fine-tuning I can do in that regard.
Looking forward to meeting you too! I have virtually no face-to-face with bass players where I am now, they're too few and far between. And thanks for letting me know about George and his shop. I just took a look at his webpage. Wow.
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Way cool. For myself, I could foresee at least two scenarios it could excel in:
A couple of open mikes I often play from offstage and to the side, with one of those Bose towers right in the middle of the stage and my rig sitting next to that.
The ambient/stereo/clean-dirty sort of 2-cab rigs that I've always loved a lot, especially for slide bass. Hence my comment on 8s maybe being the sweet spot, as they might be just the ticket for the slide stuff.
Commercial viability? I know about as much as this guy:
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Very Freakin' Cool!Thank you, Leon!
Dimensions are 22" tall x 12" wide x 18" deep, and the idea with the somehat suitcase-shaped configuration is to make it a more manageable one-hand carry than would normally be the case for a cab its weight (37 pounds). Personally, I'd rather put it on a dolly if any significant distance was involved.
You mentioned that this cab might be the "sweet spot"... I think it has a fair chance. The big questions are of course:
1) Does the wider (ballpark 240-degree) dispersion deliver a significant improvement over a more traditional pattern? And,
2) If so, will enough bass players care to make it commercially viable?
Answering the first question calls for beta-testing, and answering the second calls for tossing it into the arena and seeing what happens. First things first!
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After doing the initial 4x6 Birdhaus, I looked into everything from 4x8 through 4x15. Among the requirements would be a woofer that goes up high enough to arguably get by without a mid or tweet for some bass players, 4 or 16 ohm impedance, and good power-to-weight ratio (which pretty much rules out ceramics). Faital makes some 12" woofers that meet the criteria, so depending on how the beta-testing goes, it could happen.
Another sonic example of what a single H1203 can do. No FOH for bass (recorder out in the audience) - Smith 5'er into Puma 500 head into the H1203. Low B - handled just fine. First time with this lineup and it was fun.
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Thank you, Leon!
Dimensions are 22" tall x 12" wide x 18" deep, and the idea with the somehat suitcase-shaped configuration is to make it a more manageable one-hand carry than would normally be the case for a cab its weight (37 pounds). Personally, I'd rather put it on a dolly if any significant distance was involved.
You mentioned that this cab might be the "sweet spot"... I think it has a fair chance. The big questions are of course:
1) Does the wider (ballpark 240-degree) dispersion deliver a significant improvement over a more traditional pattern? And,
2) If so, will enough bass players care to make it commercially viable?
Answering the first question calls for beta-testing, and answering the second calls for tossing it into the arena and seeing what happens. First things first!
Very interesting! I really liked the Crazy88. Still have three Crazy8s -- two are the mains in my home studio PA and one is the floor monitor. I use the latter for acoustic bass at smaller gigs. The Crazy88 started getting into the volume range of a 210 but wasn't robust enough for electric bass ... or maybe I should say was too "polite" when I wanted some girth. I did like the tweeter in the Crazy88 - especially for acoustic bass. Overall a very clean, clear tone.
Your concept here might have more value with a tweeter, at least for some players who like having the full range option.
Hey Duke
Glad to see you are building the Birdhaus! Sounds like the idea that you bounced off of me last year. I like the form factor with the 8' speakers. I checked the link in your sig to your experimental speakers. That 18" 26hz monster is a trip! That could be the ultimate Dub cab. I bet the electronic music kids would love it, but then again they usually just use a massive PA system.
Glad to see you are building the Birdhaus! Sounds like the idea that you bounced off of me last year. I like the form factor with the 8' speakers. I checked the link in your sig to your experimental speakers. That 18" 26hz monster is a trip! That could be the ultimate Dub cab. I bet the electronic music kids would love it, but then again they usually just use a massive PA system.
Regarding that 4x8 Birdhaus, how does it perform sonically outdoors as compared to inside a room? Any particular benefits/drawbacks in either setting? Also, can you suggest where this one might go volume wise compared to other cabs (traditional 210, 410, or your TC cabs)? Thanks.
That's a cool arrangement of Take Me To The River!
Bass sounded tight! Still digging my Hathor 1203's.
That was the first time the guitar player had played with us - and no rehearsal. Some visual proof :-D
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