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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...

1. How would [the Hathor 1855] sound with a 500 watt at 4ohm amp pushing it or does it need more power?

2. Due to stage size we make it a point to watch stage volume. My question is in doing that I always feel like the bass is lacking that low end feel. At a lower volume can you still feel the Hathor?

3. I am currently using a Composite TC212 and it's great. I play mostly 70's and 80's rock with a mix of some R&B. I use a Markbass Multiamp. Just wondering if the 1855 might be a better fit. Just looking for some opinions.

1. Foderaman gave you a better answer than I could!

2. I think you'll feel a little bit more low end from the Hathor 1855 at low volumes, but it's not really optimized for that. If optimizing a cab for low volume, I'd focus on increasing the upper bass and be less concerned with the very bottom end because the upper bass is easier to hear (Fletcher-Munson, as Selta pointed out).

Sidebar: Over in the home audio world, one of the things that looks like it should be easy, but is actually maddeningly difficult, is setting the level properly on a subwoofer system. This is because a small change in actual SPL in the bass region results in a disproportionately large chance in perceived loudness, as predicted by the bunching up of the Fletcher-Munson curves south of 100 Hz or so. So what measures as a small 3 dB change in SPL actually sounds more like a 6 dB change in SPL! Thus you end up chasing the right balance by making tiny changes using what is invariably a too-tiny knob. And of course the fact that the relative level of the bass often changes significantly from one recording to another doesn't make it any easier.

3. There is a good possibility that the 1855 will be getting an update. Not that it sucks, but I think there's room for a little bit of improvement in one or two areas.

The 18 Duke uses is also not your typical 18 in that its response is quick like a 12 and not like the old day slow responding 18,s of the past plus its total weight is only 50 pounds and potentially a 4-10, 8-10 killer.

Thank you very much, Foderaman.

I'm not yet ready to claim the Hathor 1855 is an 8-10 killer, but I think it can compete with most good 410s. By way of example, the Deltalite 10 has one of the more powerful motors this side of a 10" Kappalite, and the motor on that 18" woofer is more powerful than six Deltalite motors combined (and its air-moving capacity approaches that of eight Deltalite 10's), so it "hits" pretty hard. Of course the woofer in the Hathor 1855 has only modest efficiency, so given sufficient power, real-world I think it's probably closer to a good 410 in max SPL.

Actually I wouldn't mind using a slightly smaller enclosure for the 1855, but we need enough width for the woofer, enough height for the mids, and enough depth for the ports + woofer magnet.
 
I love it when Duke comes in and graces us with his thoughts, inputs and crystal ball on future updates :D Thank you, Duke!!

Ha! My crystal ball is often wrong as far as content, and notoriously optimistic as far as timing!

Duke
Any news you can share on the H1505?

Version one of the crossover had a problem: Too much unanticipated interaction between the switches. One switch was almost negating the other.

The revised crossover uses a more complex switch for rolling off the high end than anything I've done before. I look at my schematic and it doesn't make sense to me now, but it did at one time, so I'm just hoping I really did understand what I was doing at that time.

So I assembled and tested the revised crossover and spaghetti-switch over the weekend and... something wasn't right. Took me the better part of a day to find the problem, but the new fancy-schmancy switch still had about 4 ohms of internal resistance on one of its legs when it should have had negligible resistance. So Priority Mail will be delivering five replacement switches on Wednesday, and hopefully I'll find that my bad switch was just an unlucky roll of the dice.
 
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Hi there @DukeLeJeune ... Are your modifications to the 1855 in the near future? I think I'd like to wait for whatever upgrades you do, then order. Thanks!

Fairly near future. I have one 1855 on order now, and no boards cut for it yet, so my experiments will happen before the production boards are cut and any changes will be incorporated into the batch that includes this cab, and of course subsequent ones.

Might end up as two different cabs... I'm talking to someone about a cab for a bass tuned to C below low B, and that would call for a significantly larger box.

If you make changes to the 1855. Is there a way to get an older version if one wanted to do so? Or is the Old version put to the wayside when a new one is released?

I'll change over entirely. I promise no steps backwards in performance and no price increase, at least not right away.
 
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Today is the day that 1 of 2 cabs gets delivered. I went with a TC115AF V3 (this one) and the new Hathor1505 sometime in the next couple of weeks. (ordered before all this talk of the 18" lately ;)

Unfortunately, I have an orchestra rehearsal tonight and won't get much time with it at all! The agony.
 
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Today is the day that 1 of 2 cabs gets delivered. I went with a TC115AF (this one) and the new Hathor1505 sometime in the next couple of weeks. (ordered before all this talk of the 18" lately ;)

Unfortunately, I have an orchestra rehearsal tonight and won't get much time with it at all! The agony.

I think you've chosen wisely. Honestly I expect the 1505 to be surprisingly close to the 1855 in terms of output and it'll be substantially smaller and lighter.
 
My Friend in NY has a TC115 and it is amazing

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Today is the day that 1 of 2 cabs gets delivered. I went with a TC115AF V3 (this one) and the new Hathor1505 sometime in the next couple of weeks. (ordered before all this talk of the 18" lately ;)

Unfortunately, I have an orchestra rehearsal tonight and won't get much time with it at all! The agony.
 
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Today is the day that 1 of 2 cabs gets delivered. I went with a TC115AF V3 (this one) and the new Hathor1505 sometime in the next couple of weeks. (ordered before all this talk of the 18" lately ;)

Unfortunately, I have an orchestra rehearsal tonight and won't get much time with it at all! The agony.

cool. interested to hear about the 1505. you're in sacto? i get up that way occasionally. maybe i could swing by and check it out at some point?