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1. How would [the Hathor 1855] sound with a 500 watt at 4ohm amp pushing it or does it need more power?
2. Due to stage size we make it a point to watch stage volume. My question is in doing that I always feel like the bass is lacking that low end feel. At a lower volume can you still feel the Hathor?
3. I am currently using a Composite TC212 and it's great. I play mostly 70's and 80's rock with a mix of some R&B. I use a Markbass Multiamp. Just wondering if the 1855 might be a better fit. Just looking for some opinions.
1. Foderaman gave you a better answer than I could!
2. I think you'll feel a little bit more low end from the Hathor 1855 at low volumes, but it's not really optimized for that. If optimizing a cab for low volume, I'd focus on increasing the upper bass and be less concerned with the very bottom end because the upper bass is easier to hear (Fletcher-Munson, as Selta pointed out).
Sidebar: Over in the home audio world, one of the things that looks like it should be easy, but is actually maddeningly difficult, is setting the level properly on a subwoofer system. This is because a small change in actual SPL in the bass region results in a disproportionately large chance in perceived loudness, as predicted by the bunching up of the Fletcher-Munson curves south of 100 Hz or so. So what measures as a small 3 dB change in SPL actually sounds more like a 6 dB change in SPL! Thus you end up chasing the right balance by making tiny changes using what is invariably a too-tiny knob. And of course the fact that the relative level of the bass often changes significantly from one recording to another doesn't make it any easier.
3. There is a good possibility that the 1855 will be getting an update. Not that it sucks, but I think there's room for a little bit of improvement in one or two areas.
The 18 Duke uses is also not your typical 18 in that its response is quick like a 12 and not like the old day slow responding 18,s of the past plus its total weight is only 50 pounds and potentially a 4-10, 8-10 killer.
Thank you very much, Foderaman.
I'm not yet ready to claim the Hathor 1855 is an 8-10 killer, but I think it can compete with most good 410s. By way of example, the Deltalite 10 has one of the more powerful motors this side of a 10" Kappalite, and the motor on that 18" woofer is more powerful than six Deltalite motors combined (and its air-moving capacity approaches that of eight Deltalite 10's), so it "hits" pretty hard. Of course the woofer in the Hathor 1855 has only modest efficiency, so given sufficient power, real-world I think it's probably closer to a good 410 in max SPL.
Actually I wouldn't mind using a slightly smaller enclosure for the 1855, but we need enough width for the woofer, enough height for the mids, and enough depth for the ports + woofer magnet.