So the Demeter contains a power amp stage? Looks like that ART unit is a power distribution/conditioner deal...?
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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...
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Just in case any of you guys missed it, nutdog made what I think is my favorite post of all time over in another thread:
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Eminence designed a custom 10" Kappalite variant for Mike Arnopol, and he gave me permission to use it. So my big purchase of 2017 was a small production run of these woofers. It's a very smooth woofer, so the cab will be aimed more at double-bass rather than electric bass. It's also a good candidate for a studio monitor, with subwoofers to help out in the bottom couple of octaves, but I don't know that that will ever happen.
That amp and the Walkabout are my 2 favourite sounding heads, ever, period......I wish my 800+ had Q width controls on it's mid section like the Demeter. I am pretty sure I owned that exact unit (did you get it from Szusman?), but I am trying to divest of all things rack-related.
Duke and I had a nice back and forth through PM. It may take some time, but there is a good possibility of a single 12" cab in a Hathor box. Would be well worth the wait.
when it mentioned "upright," i thought of where i think you're heading sonically.Duke and I had a nice back and forth through PM. It may take some time, but there is a good possibility of a single 12" cab in a Hathor box. Would be well worth the wait.
Hey guys, currently in the market for a new cab and was hoping you guys could help me out a bit. Currently cab-less, but my old rig was a GK MB800 into a GK Neo 212. The GK 212 really covered my sonic needs perfectly for my fairly loud rock 3-piece, but I need something lighter/easier to carry as I have permanent back issues that made it a real pain to move around.
For my next cab, I'd prefer to stay under 40lbs and the Hathor 1505 has my eye, although I just wasn't sure if the 1x15 would be enough... So, I guess my question is: if I was happy with my GK Neo 212, do you think the Hathor 1505 would cover my needs as well?
Another option would be a pair of Hathor 1203s, but I'd really like to keep it to just one cab, if possible.
Thanks in advance for any help/advice!
For my next cab, I'd prefer to stay under 40lbs and the Hathor 1505 has my eye, although I just wasn't sure if the 1x15 would be enough... So, I guess my question is: if I was happy with my GK Neo 212, do you think the Hathor 1505 would cover my needs as well?
Another option would be a pair of Hathor 1203s, but I'd really like to keep it to just one cab, if possible.
Thanks in advance for any help/advice!
I was about to suggest the 1505 or 1533. From what's been said in this thread (and stated on the AK site) the 1533 will extend higher and sound a bit more like the 1203 (though not exactly) and the 1505 will have less high extension but a more mid-forward, grindy sound (which would suit rock music well, I'd think).
I don't know exactly how the 1505 and the two GK 12s would compete in terms of pushed-to-the-limit output, but I would suspect that the 1505 would hold its own fine, if not do better than that.
On the AK site, it states, "On paper it looks like the Hathor 212 will go louder, but with the mid switch up, the 1505 is very much in the same loudness ballpark (though the two Kappalite motors in the 212 result in a harder-hitting low end)."
If you like the idea of two twelves but want to keep it to one cab, the Hathor 212 might be an option, especially with a smaller amp like the MB800 you mention. Taller, smaller footprint, easy to slide into a back seat, and still relatively light. (GK Neo 212 is listed at 50 pounds, Hathor 212 at 43 -- three pounds over your 40 pounds goal -- 1505 at 37.)
There is a used 1505 in the classifieds right now that caught my eye -- was thinking about how it might pair with my 1203. I shouldn't -- I've spent too much lately on gear -- but there's your heads-up. I don't know if the owner would be willing to ship but you could inquire.
Note: I have a Hathor 1203, but I have not played the 1505 or 1533 or their Changeling variants with the rear-firing drivers.
@tombowlus has two 1203s and has remarked on the GK Neo 12s before. I know that he's played some of the other AK cabs (the 1855 for sure -- not sure which others). He might be able to give you perspective on how they'd work in your situation.
Good luck (and good luck with your back as well).
You may have already seen it but on pg 354 there’s an early review from someone who just got one.
Also you could call Duke and ask him any questions you may have. He’s a cool dude.
Depending on your back issues and the gigs you play, modular can be easier than a single cab. For instance I play a fair amount of gigs with just a single H1203, if I want something louder (like next week's hit), I'll take a single C1203T, if it is really loud, the pair.
But I've always been a fan of modular setups as I leave one cab in my car all the time. I had a brief foray with the GK neo 1-12 and Duke's cabs are playing on a different level IME. The 3" paper cone is the secret sauce, and the 12" in his cabs is mo' betta than the GK.
That's what I was going to suggest also. Calling Duke. He's a great resource.
I did that too before I ordered my cab. I chose the Thunderchild 112 AF.
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My experience with the C112T is that it's remarkably capable volume-wise and very versatile tonally.
I own and like the GK Neo 112 II's, but agree that the Duke's cabs are in a whole different league. It's honestly hard to believe until you hear it for yourself, and I think the GK Neo cabs are quite good.
Happy Monday. I'm a hobbyist/ hack who now gigs very rarely-but Sat I had a sweet gig-90 person, private party at a nice club in Old Montreal-my 1st ever with a pro sound man and fine FOH with subs.....the 1203 performed beautifully. It was 1 foot behind my calves and easily heard by me and the other band members (no bass or guitars in our monitors, only vocals)-I had previously been playing it with 1 port plugged, but this time all ports were open-it was clear and thick. Thanks Duke!
I had pretty much decided on the C115, but after reading some posts about the C112 having better vertical dispersion, I'm having a real hard time deciding between a C115 and a C112T. I have paid the desposit, but still have a few more days to make up my mind.
I will be using a few different amps. A Trickfish Bullhead 1k, an Ampeg V-4B and a 1964 Ampeg B-15N (head only) among others. All of my gigs are with PA support, so the cab is mostly for stage sound (will be miked as well). Most of the time I could get away with one of my two Ampeg PF-112HLF's, but for some gigs I'll need both or my Berg CN212. I'm going to keep one of the two (2x Ampeg or Berg) in addition to my AK, until I at some point will probably buy a second AK 112 or 115 variant.
Any thoughts or advice? Thanks!
I will be using a few different amps. A Trickfish Bullhead 1k, an Ampeg V-4B and a 1964 Ampeg B-15N (head only) among others. All of my gigs are with PA support, so the cab is mostly for stage sound (will be miked as well). Most of the time I could get away with one of my two Ampeg PF-112HLF's, but for some gigs I'll need both or my Berg CN212. I'm going to keep one of the two (2x Ampeg or Berg) in addition to my AK, until I at some point will probably buy a second AK 112 or 115 variant.
Any thoughts or advice? Thanks!
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Sell everything and get the C115 and the C112. Obviously.I had pretty much decided on the C115, but after reading some posts about the C112 having better vertical dispersion, I'm having a real hard time deciding between a C115 and a C112T. I have paid the desposit, but still have a few more days to make up my mind.
I will be using a few different amps. A Trickfish Bullhead 1k, an Ampeg V-4B and a 1964 Ampeg B-15N (head only) among others. All of my gigs are with PA support, so the cab is mostly for stage sound (will be miked as well). Most of the time I could get away with one of my two Ampeg PF-112HLF's, but for some gigs I'll need both or my Berg CN212. I'm going to keep one of the two (2x Ampeg or Berg) in addition to my AK, until I at some point will probably buy a second AK 112 or 115 variant.
Any thoughts or advice? Thanks!
If you really always have PA support for larger venues, then an AK 112 is a good place to start. I find I only really "need" my TC115 for non-PA support gigs in bigger rooms and outdoors. Of course, your band's overall volume fits into the calculation here, and my situation may be quieter than yours - hard to say. In any case, you won't go wrong!
