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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...
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You'll lose the side dispersion of the mids on one side. Can't see how that would sound good.
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While the ideal horizontal dispersion results from my cabs being "upright" (drivers vertically aligned), the horizontal dispersion of most of them is still "better than average" when they're on their side. The exceptions to this would be the first-generation Thunderchild cabs, the ones with the wide rectangular horn, whose pattern width in the horn's short dimension is only about 50 degrees.
Just about any two-way cab will have some pattern narrowing in the crossover region, in the plane perpendicular to a line passing through the center of both drivers. This is because, in the crossover region, you have two sound sources spaced apart instead of just the one. So my cabs normally have some pattern narrowing in the vertical plane in the crossover region (generally the lesser of the two evils since the audience is usually in the horizontal plane), and then that pattern narrowing ends up in the horizontal plane when you place them on their side.
A TC112 sideways atop a TC118 would overhang the edges of the 118 by an inch on either side. So it's not the most elegant-looking stack ever created, but it would function just fine. So as steubig said, it comes down to whether or not you like the sound. As you can see, I'm geek enough that it takes me a lot longer to say that.
In the new 1533E (for "low-E tuning"), I seem to have ignored all my rules about maximizing dispersion in the horizontal plane:
Keeping the cab compact and lightweight was my top priority here, and the side-by-side 3" cones still have horizontal dispersion comparable to a single 6" cone... and maybe a bit better due to the open-format mid-chamber that gets the backwave energy angling out the slots you see there.
Just about any two-way cab will have some pattern narrowing in the crossover region, in the plane perpendicular to a line passing through the center of both drivers. This is because, in the crossover region, you have two sound sources spaced apart instead of just the one. So my cabs normally have some pattern narrowing in the vertical plane in the crossover region (generally the lesser of the two evils since the audience is usually in the horizontal plane), and then that pattern narrowing ends up in the horizontal plane when you place them on their side.
A TC112 sideways atop a TC118 would overhang the edges of the 118 by an inch on either side. So it's not the most elegant-looking stack ever created, but it would function just fine. So as steubig said, it comes down to whether or not you like the sound. As you can see, I'm geek enough that it takes me a lot longer to say that.
In the new 1533E (for "low-E tuning"), I seem to have ignored all my rules about maximizing dispersion in the horizontal plane:
Keeping the cab compact and lightweight was my top priority here, and the side-by-side 3" cones still have horizontal dispersion comparable to a single 6" cone... and maybe a bit better due to the open-format mid-chamber that gets the backwave energy angling out the slots you see there.
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The primary use of the 1203s will be my theater gig. Excellent FOH support. I have my cabs set to almost fire across the stage (almost side fill), mostly for me, keys and the drummer. And since we are the house band, we are all seated when performing, so I can hear just fine with them stack in either orientation. The performers up front get some of that plus monitor mix. In fact, I'm sure I could get by with a one cab solution.
I will certain test both options. Having a little overhang of the amp isn't a big deal as long as it sits solid and I have no reason to believe it won't be. Who knows, it could sound great horizontally stacked. Look at some of the configurations used back in the day.
I will certain test both options. Having a little overhang of the amp isn't a big deal as long as it sits solid and I have no reason to believe it won't be. Who knows, it could sound great horizontally stacked. Look at some of the configurations used back in the day.
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I've run my TC112 rig that way pretty much always. A shallow SKB rack case seems plenty solid on there to me -- I've used 2, 3, and 4 space ones at one time or another.
Thanks, that's reassuring. My SKB is the full size one, and it's a six space. However, I did some measuring and I think it will fit just fine. It's not like I'm gonna have a pack of crazed female groupies charging the stage, fighting over me, knocking over my gear, throwing me on the fl...............
Wow, I almost got carried away for a moment!
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Cover That Girl In Chocolate Syrup
Here's how the newer SKB shallow rack sits on a v.1 TC112:
Cover That Girl In Chocolate Syrup
Here's how the newer SKB shallow rack sits on a v.1 TC112:
That'll work!
Gee Duke, why did you have to go and post that photo??????? I'm all excited about the 1203's arriving tomorrow. I don't need another case of GAS!!!
What a killer looking cab!
That would work too. I actually thought about that. As long as the SKB would support the weight, it would work fine. I could get to the controls no problem.
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Sorry about that!
Seriously, thanks for the compliment. I plan to test the waters with a couple of different versions, all using the same cabinet and mids, but with different woofers.
The reason I'm focusing more on uber-compact cabs lately can be summed up in two words: Mike Arnopol. His Big E MVW cabs are simply awesome, so I'm looking for market niches where I don't have to go head-to-head with him. The MVW technology does not scale down in size and weight as forgivingly as more conventional reflex technology does, so that's the window of opportunity I'm exploiting with the Hathor 1203, and hoping to with the 1533.
Not that I'm totally conceding the larger-cab field of battle to Mike... there are specific applications for which my cabs may still be better suited or at least competitive, and he and I are determined to make the other work for it, whatever "it" is. Hence my Thunderchild 118 and 212 remain in the lineup, along with the Hathor 1855.
So to all of you who like the little Hathor 1203, thank Mike Arnopol, along with Steve and Tom at Big E. They pretty much made me do it.
Hathor 1203 comes today AND all of my pedals I sent to a guy to fix up into a pedalboard. It's going to be a Great Day!!!
....on the topic of the h1203, I cannot remember...does someone have a slip cover for these cabinets spec'd? Want to keep the new baby protected!
....on the topic of the h1203, I cannot remember...does someone have a slip cover for these cabinets spec'd? Want to keep the new baby protected!
Guess what just got delivered to the office? They are black with speakers, a nice handle, a couple of switches in the back.....
Yep, I'm here at the office with a couple of H1203s and it's killing me!
Busy weekend, more to come........
Yep, I'm here at the office with a couple of H1203s and it's killing me!
Busy weekend, more to come........
This arrived an hour ago. I hate to blow it for you but the cab stinking ROCKS!
I loved my tc112, but this is so much more my sound. Well the Hathor and the Baer ml112 are way more similar than different, I think the Hathor has the edge on slap. It has a bit more of that tweeter sheen to me even though it has that nice 3" mid.. The Baer cuts just a bit better to me for finger style, with a slightly more pronounced upper mid and more lows (probably just based on the cab size alone)
. Most of these differences can be lessened with a little EQing. Can't wait to stick this cab in mix! VERY nice work Duke!
I loved my tc112, but this is so much more my sound. Well the Hathor and the Baer ml112 are way more similar than different, I think the Hathor has the edge on slap. It has a bit more of that tweeter sheen to me even though it has that nice 3" mid.. The Baer cuts just a bit better to me for finger style, with a slightly more pronounced upper mid and more lows (probably just based on the cab size alone)
Any Canadians on here, who have a 1203?
I love my Thunderchild 112AF, but I'm starting to have serious Hathor fantasies...
I love my Thunderchild 112AF, but I'm starting to have serious Hathor fantasies...
IIRC, there's a semi-detailed review of the ThunderChild 118 somewhere on talkbass.
Can anyone point me to it?
[I did a search and didn't find it, maybe it was just wishful thinking...]
My main tone grail lately is very solid, but tight low end with beefy low-mids and a substantial heft to all notes on the fingerboard.
Can anyone point me to it?
[I did a search and didn't find it, maybe it was just wishful thinking...]
My main tone grail lately is very solid, but tight low end with beefy low-mids and a substantial heft to all notes on the fingerboard.
