The resistors especially definitely need some ventilation and caking them in glue could cause overheating of resistors.
I've seen plenty of mass produced crossovers not caked in glue. It's not "just sloppy" it's potentially damaging.
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Avatar 3 way 15/6/tweet part 2
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The resistors especially definitely need some ventilation and caking them in glue could cause overheating of resistors.
I've seen plenty of mass produced crossovers not caked in glue. It's not "just sloppy" it's potentially damaging.
understood. Might that be causing some folks issues? Wonder if they can test for that? Thanks for your reply here.
Not sure how it looks to y'all but the newer designed xover does seem a "neater" build in those pics. How much better protection does the fuse offer in that one? Might it keep the 6" mid from blowing now or what?
Not sure how it looks to y'all but the newer designed xover does seem a "neater" build in those pics. How much better protection does the fuse offer in that one? Might it keep the 6" mid from blowing now or what?
I got the replacement crossover from Avatar this week and finally got the chance to install it tonight. I can say the crossover certainly looks a lot nicer and cleaner and it did the trick, cab sounds like a million bucks again, all frequencies clearly and evenly represented! Also, whilst waiting for the crossover I took the liberty of ordering some sturdier hardware (#12 screws) to better hold things in place including the grill which I also "upgraded" with a custom number from Reliable Hardware, I think it looks more "finishes". In addition I installed some nice feet to get it up off the ground and keep it level and steady. I also covered any remaining bare internal areas with insulation. Purchased a folding hand truck and some wedges to tip it back for stage monitoring do I should be good to go now, lol. Updated pics below.
That grill looks great , I may do that to mine some day . Glad the new crossover works too , I'd hate to not have mine to play through . I'm pretty sure mine has the newer crossover and it's going strong . Love these cabs .
Ya, I'm wondering if mine ever really worked properly because it just sound so "rich" now, so much detail when monitoring music. Will get to use as a bass can again tomorrow @ rehearsal.
That looks amazing! I know it shouldnt matter but it bugs me that my tb153 looks like a cheap 80s heavy metal cab every time I look back at it because of that damn grill.
Can you post up a parts list of what you ordered from reliable? Would love to do the same to mine - what an improvement. I think getting it off the floor a bit more probably helps smooth out the bass too.
Also, I'm not having any problems with mine that I know of but have to say some times the midforward nature of the cab bugs me. Sometimes it sounds like the mid speaker is much louder than than the bass and tweeter and I can't seem to dial that out. Anybody else notice this? Wondering if its an amp/cab pairing issue or something with the cab itself.
Can you post up a parts list of what you ordered from reliable? Would love to do the same to mine - what an improvement. I think getting it off the floor a bit more probably helps smooth out the bass too.
Also, I'm not having any problems with mine that I know of but have to say some times the midforward nature of the cab bugs me. Sometimes it sounds like the mid speaker is much louder than than the bass and tweeter and I can't seem to dial that out. Anybody else notice this? Wondering if its an amp/cab pairing issue or something with the cab itself.
I'm curious if good job of properly lining the inside of cab the with dampening material would help. Mine has nothing covering the braces and was missing two big spot on the back of the cab (though I added a bit). I have recently did some experimenting adding more material with on of my B210 Neos with positive results. After reading what they recommend for the fEarful I just don't think mine has anywhere near the proper amount. I've been thinking of picking up 1.5" thick poly mattress pad at Walmart and doing a proper job. Wouldn't hurt.
I'm not sure it's the mid driver that your hearing, it doesn't put out the percentage of sound or note you, or at least what I thought it did. I am also curious if the crossover is just set to high or it's the cabs tuning. To experiment I've run my bass/preamp thru dbx 223 crossover and the woofer starts sounding harsh/dominant in the mids and low mids once roll the knob above 650-700hz. I believe the mid crosses over @ 800hz.
Just learning about all this take this with a grain of salt and forgive my poor explanation.
Do you notice any audible difference difference plugging 1/4" inputs or do you do it just to keep dirt out?
Strangely enough I walked behind my B210's stack the other day and was shocked by the amount of air coming out of the 2 unused 1/4 inputs. Never thought about plugging them.
rmars said:
they were in when I received it and I've never taken them out so couldn't say. I bet it wouldn't make a noticeable difference either way
Didn't think so but in my paranoia I thought maybe you knew something I didn't!
I've heard of issues with cabs having leaks..... just thought it was more of an issue with sealed cabs.
I went with this grill (cut to size) because it had the most "open" space per their website and I had read previously, Dave at Avatar didn't want to use cloth grills due to air restriction. Cost for this part was about $45 shipped.
Custom Speaker Grills
I'm sure the feet are pretty inconsequential but in any case I went with these, and some #12 screws. They are real tight and nice and wide. Very stable and gets it up off the ground which always bugged me for some reason. Inexpensive too, I would have bought feet at a hardware store but figured I'd throw 'em in since ordering the grill.
Large Rubber Foot / Bumper
Other than that, I tracked down some dark green (painted black) and black #12 screws the appropriate size for the application to better affix the grill, feet, handles and I'd like to do the jack plate but handn't gotten to it.
New jack plate came with the new crossover which is an Eminence but direct from Avatar.
Custom Speaker Grills
I'm sure the feet are pretty inconsequential but in any case I went with these, and some #12 screws. They are real tight and nice and wide. Very stable and gets it up off the ground which always bugged me for some reason. Inexpensive too, I would have bought feet at a hardware store but figured I'd throw 'em in since ordering the grill.
Large Rubber Foot / Bumper
Other than that, I tracked down some dark green (painted black) and black #12 screws the appropriate size for the application to better affix the grill, feet, handles and I'd like to do the jack plate but handn't gotten to it.
New jack plate came with the new crossover which is an Eminence but direct from Avatar.
I was under the impression you could just put a couple blank (unwired) 1/4" plugs in there and eliminate the leak.
I went with this grill (cut to size) because it had the most "open" space per their website and I had read previously, Dave at Avatar didn't want to use cloth grills due to air restriction. Cost for this part was about $45 shipped.
Custom Speaker Grills
I'm sure the feet are pretty inconsequential but in any case I went with these, and some #12 screws. They are real tight and nice and wide. Very stable and gets it up off the ground which always bugged me for some reason. Inexpensive too, I would have bought feet at a hardware store but figured I'd throw 'em in since ordering the grill.
Large Rubber Foot / Bumper
Other than that, I tracked down some dark green (painted black) and black #12 screws the appropriate size for the application to better affix the grill, feet, handles and I'd like to do the jack plate but handn't gotten to it.
New jack plate came with the new crossover which is an Eminence but direct from Avatar.
Thanks man, very helpful and a huge improvement in appearance. Actually, I heard from Trevor at Avatar that the reason they don't use cloth grills has to do with speaker excursion on the 15's. They were concerned that the cones would hit the grill. I guess the cloth ones are attached differently so had to stick with metal. Personally, I think they'd sell a lot more cabs if they phased out the 80s hair metal looking grills and switched to something more like what you have.
There are tons of things you can use to plug it. I'd use the caps meant for it myself, or foam earplugs
Yeah, I just discover this the other night. My B210's have made a weird hiss sort of noise, couldn't hear it on gigs so much but I could at rehearsal or when practicing. I had checked it over and everything was tight and the speakers were good. I popped some foam in the 1/4" inputs and magically it went away. For some reason the cab sounds tighter but I'm sure it's just because I got rid of that added noise and that I had already added some dampening material.... don't know if I'll notice it on a gig.
Haven't tried it with my TB153 yet.
at last couple gigs, a drummer then a guitard came up and told me they liked the vintage style look of the Avatar badge on my TB153. THey did not mention the grill.
I played a "pub" style lounge last weekend. The room had a whole lota wood paneling and one floor/ceiling wall of glass. It seemed I just could not get loud enough to hear myself well, no PA support. Late nite I looked down and saw I had my Streamliner 900 gain/volume dialed up around 3:00-4:00. Bass/mid knobs @ 4:00. The master volume was at 5:00 darn near wide open.
The room was packed from front to back in front of us. Maybe all these conditions were obsorbing my volume. A freind said it sounded real good outback but I've never-ever dialed this amp up this much to hear myself. Was using my 08 Am St P5 w/flats. This is same rig I've used last few gigs. Hope the amp was not having issues. I know I put this cab thru its paces that nite, no harsh sounds or farting, so that's good. Still curious why that took place. We're back there this month, might take a different rig to compare.
I played a "pub" style lounge last weekend. The room had a whole lota wood paneling and one floor/ceiling wall of glass. It seemed I just could not get loud enough to hear myself well, no PA support. Late nite I looked down and saw I had my Streamliner 900 gain/volume dialed up around 3:00-4:00. Bass/mid knobs @ 4:00. The master volume was at 5:00 darn near wide open.
The room was packed from front to back in front of us. Maybe all these conditions were obsorbing my volume. A freind said it sounded real good outback but I've never-ever dialed this amp up this much to hear myself. Was using my 08 Am St P5 w/flats. This is same rig I've used last few gigs. Hope the amp was not having issues. I know I put this cab thru its paces that nite, no harsh sounds or farting, so that's good. Still curious why that took place. We're back there this month, might take a different rig to compare.
+1
One of my only complaints about Avatar, that and the fact that they try to fit all configs into two different box sizes but I guess that's how they keep costs down.
at last couple gigs, a drummer then a guitard came up and told me they liked the vintage style look of the Avatar badge on my TB153. THey did not mention the grill.
I played a "pub" style lounge last weekend. The room had a whole lota wood paneling and one floor/ceiling wall of glass. It seemed I just could not get loud enough to hear myself well, no PA support. Late nite I looked down and saw I had my Streamliner 900 gain/volume dialed up around 3:00-4:00. Bass/mid knobs @ 4:00. The master volume was at 5:00 darn near wide open.
The room was packed from front to back in front of us. Maybe all these conditions were obsorbing my volume. A freind said it sounded real good outback but I've never-ever dialed this amp up this much to hear myself. Was using my 08 Am St P5 w/flats. This is same rig I've used last few gigs. Hope the amp was not having issues. I know I put this cab thru its paces that nite, no harsh sounds or farting, so that's good. Still curious why that took place. We're back there this month, might take a different rig to compare.
I'm guessing based on my experience with the Streamliner that it had more to do with the natural scoop and boom (not necessarily a bad thing) of the head than it did with the cab. I found the TB153 can get huge down low but still cuts really well, with the Streamliner it didn't so much, one of the reasons I went back to the Shuttle 9.0 and now I'm awaiting delivery of a ShuttleMax 9.2.
