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I edited the 210 weight at Roger's request...it's 46lbs, not 36.
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Baer Amplification Megathread!
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We had time on the production floor booked for December, but the delivery date on the 10" drivers got pushed back a month, because the pandemic has really thrown a wrench into the global supply chain. If we get lucky, the 112 should be available before Christmas, while the 210 will hit mid January. If we don't get lucky, we should have both by end of January.
Alrighty, I'm curious too...how would the 210 be vs my ML115? And 2 ML112's? I may be interested in the 210.
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Does this signify a move away from paper upper-mid drivers and towards a tweeter, or am I not seeing correctly/reading into things? 
The 210 cab is definitely more "studio monitor" like and has a much flatter response than the 112, which has a bit more midrange growl and upper mid bite. The 112/210 is my favorite combination. They just play extremely nice together. I also think the 210 works really well with a ML112, because the mid driver gives the smoother sounding 210 a bit more of an aggressive tone. I haven't tried it yet, but I would guess the 210 would sound great on top of the ML115 as well.
Does this signify a move away from paper upper-mid drivers and towards a tweeter, or am I not seeing correctly/reading into things?
Not a move away. I will always have some mid loaded cabs in the line up as that is the sound that truly resonates with me. The new cabs were designed to be more hi-fi with a more extended top end. While I always found the ML's had enough highs for a good slap tone, there were many players asking for a more modern sounding cab with less going on around 1k and more extended highs, so we decided to develop a separate line for those customers. Think of them as different branches of the same tree.
Then we just need a cab with both.
The new cabs have such a balanced sound that I can't imagine adding a mid driver to them would really be much of an improvement. But I certainly wouldn't rule it out in the future.
I could see that being the case. I have a pair of Barefaced BB2 cabs, each with a 12" woofer and a compression driver for the highs, which I run as a PA. I had a Fearful 15/6.I never compared them directly, but I don't feel like the Barefaced lacks anything without the mid-driver.
Unfortunately, it not making enough sense to be worth you making it only makes my scumbag brain want it more.
LOL. Actually, 3-way designs make a lot of sense, but the main reason for using a mid driver in a 3 way cab is because the designer wants to choose a subwoofer-like driver that pumps out a lot of very strong, deep lows, but drops off dramatically in the upper mids, which leaves a scoop in your lower treble regions before the crossover point to the tweeter. So these designs will often add a mid driver to give the cab decent response in the upper mids to fill in that hole. The main problem with a 3-way cab, is obviously the cost. More drivers, mid enclosures, and more complicated crossovers.
In the new 112 cabinet, we chose a woofer that has great response up into the lower treble region, and a compression driver that allowed for a lower crossover point. In combination, we were able to get a nice even response in the top end without the need for a mid driver. The woofer also has good presence around what I call the "Jaco region", (about 400Hz to 500Hz), which really adds great definition to your tone onstage.
The ML115 driver was designed as a more quick, punchy response, rather than being designed for super deep lows. It should handle the lows of an octave pedal just fine though.
FYI, the ML115 was recently discontinued and we only have one left in stock. If there was renewed interest in them, I could be persuaded to make another small run if we could get some commitments for orders ahead of time.
Folks, I was going to sell my 2 Series II ML112's but I have changed my mind and I am keeping them. I closed my ad in the classifieds. (Basically came to my senses!) But, I am still downsizing and I am willing to let my ML115 go. So, I will be posting up that ad sometime today.
Is the goal with the 112 to be like the ML with more highs, or is it a different character? How well does the new 112 pair with the ML112?
The goal wasn't simply to create an ML with more highs. We really geared these cabs towards a different market, which was those players who have been asking us for a more modern, hi-fi sounding cab. But of course, I still wanted it to sound like a Baer cab, so while these are totally different designs, there are some tonal similarities. Personally, I think the new cabs work very well with the ML cabs. The mid driver of the ML adds some extra upper mids, while the horn on the new cabs adds some sheen from the horn. The two woofers are quite different, but I think they still play quite nice together.
Been reading through this thread and wanted to toss out a few questions:
1. For those of you that double, how do you like the Baer cabs for upright?
2. How do 2 of these cabs compare to the punch of a good 4x10?
I'm looking to upgrade my current cab setup to something that can work for everything from a quiet jazz gig on upright to a loud cover band in a big club. My current setup is an SWR Goliath 4x10, a Markbass 1x12, and a EA VL-110, run by either a EA Doubler or a TH500 I just bought. I like the way all this stuff sounds, and I'm really happy with the EA and Tonehammer amps, but I want a matched set of cabs that's a little lighter. I'm going for a tight, smooth, punchy tone.
I'm also looking at Bergantino and Aguilar cabs, but all things considered the Baer cabs really seem like they might work.
1. For those of you that double, how do you like the Baer cabs for upright?
2. How do 2 of these cabs compare to the punch of a good 4x10?
I'm looking to upgrade my current cab setup to something that can work for everything from a quiet jazz gig on upright to a loud cover band in a big club. My current setup is an SWR Goliath 4x10, a Markbass 1x12, and a EA VL-110, run by either a EA Doubler or a TH500 I just bought. I like the way all this stuff sounds, and I'm really happy with the EA and Tonehammer amps, but I want a matched set of cabs that's a little lighter. I'm going for a tight, smooth, punchy tone.
I'm also looking at Bergantino and Aguilar cabs, but all things considered the Baer cabs really seem like they might work.
