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Berg CN212 - Negatives?

#41
Munjibunga said:
How about some pics of yours that have been damaged?
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If I ever get to a point where I have nothing better to do, I might consider that. My cabs are CN112's. There's one handle on the left side and small feet on the right side to protect the cabinet when setting it down. The right side is exposed when moving the cabinets with their covers on. It's those sides for the most part that are scuffed on all three of my cabinets. I also have one small "pull" in the fabric on the top of one cabinet where the zipper teeth of my rack bag caught in the weave (or texture) of the covering.

Some people are fine with "normal wear" on their gear (i.e. rack rash, belt rash, road rash, cabinet "dings," etc.). I'm not. I've had little difficulty over the years keeping my gear looking new, but not these cabinets. The scuffs don't affect the sound, of course. But they're easy to see, and that annoys me. BTW, I really am a Bergantino fanboy -- I've had nine of his cabinets so far. I just wish he wouldn't use a delicate covering on cabs that get moved around a lot.
 
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Given all the variables of tone, configuration, portability, etc - the CN212 is a good all around performer and mates very well to both of my Mesa's. The tight low end and overall articulation is great with my Lulls, where other rigs with 'more low end' crapped out way too fast. Yes, the padded cover is a must have for it IMO. I would buy two 8 ohm versions in a heartbeat if they were available.
 
#44
Dave W said:
Everybody keeps mentioning the tolex being an issue. I've never had an issue with it in two years of heavy gigging and using the cover.
There is one dent from my car trunk slamming into it. No break in the tolex...
There is one dent from my guitar player walking into the side of a truck with it. No break in the tolex...
I think there might be a small tear on the bottom from my hand truck or the sidewalk, but that's almost expected.

It's certainly better than the AE series stuff
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Actually, I didn't have any issues with my AE's. But lots of others did. Great-sounding cabinets though ...
 
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Doug Parent said:
I didn't either but I ALWAYS put the cover on before I moved it even an inch.
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After reading all the reports of the chipping finish on those cabinets, I had Susan at StudioSlips make double-padded clam-shell covers for my AE 212's. I'm sure that helped me keep those cabinets looking new for a few years and lots of gigs. I wish I had done that with my CN 112's. I thought the tolex (if that's what it is) would resist wear better and the weave would help hide any marks.
 
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I liked the finish on the AE212, but didn't care for the big "B" on the side. I thought that finish was pretty fragile in it's own way too. No rips, but you could scratch it pretty good. Check out the damage on this one... Link Removed

I've never let that stuff bother me, but I know some dudes do, and that's cool.
 
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Sorry about my bragging but check out the tweed. Indestructible. I put shellac on it to guard against dust dirt etc. Dent the wood and you still have to look hard to see the evidence.
 

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Munjibunga said:
Indeed - at the last gig I played with MB800/CN212, there was another bass player there (he replaced me in my immediate previous band) and he couldn't believe how that cab was handling the B string when I went down to some Cs and Ds. What the CN212 doesn't have that the HD212 has is a low mid presence that makes the bottom end a little thicker (not quite muddier) to my ear. That's fine with me - I like a clean bottom end, and the CN212 delivers that without sacrificing volume down there.

I also used it at an open mic and got to hear six or seven other players through it, and all but one was plenty loud and had plenty of bottom end. The one had no clue on how to EQ his bass.

Disclaimer: fanboi
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I find it freakish how well my CN112 handles the B string... Seriously. I can only imagine how nice the CN212 sounds.
 
#57
loveandbass said:
awesome thread
would 2 CN112s produce a similar result?
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I find that my two CN112s push a good amount of air AND I now have a modular set up for any size of gig;

That said, I am considering swapping one of them for a CN210 (see my other thread on this subject) but only because I have a thing for 10's... and it does add a bit of fun thickness to the low end.
 
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hennessybass said:
Totally different cabs. I had the AE212 for a minuet, so I do have direct experience with both.

The AE212 has an extended low end, scooped thru the mids, and goes higher.

The CN212 has a tight low end with more of the focus in the low mids, very even across the mids, and a relaxed high end.

CN is more punch and articulation,, AE is more pillow and sizzle. In the most simple terms, of course, and IMO, and IME.
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That's not a bad summary of the AE212; except the scooped mids part. You may have perceived it that way because the lows were running away a little bit. My sense is the AE is very even but somewhat enhanced on the low end; which CAN run away with certain amps driving it. The solution I found with the AE's is to add an HPF to get control of that pillow. Using an amp with appropriate HPF control, the AE212 is very even elsewhere and does just fine in the lower mids area.

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WaldoNova said:
There are 2 points brought up that can be construed as negative. Being that there isn't an 8ohm CN212 and the tolex. But putting it in context. It is a light weight speaker designed to be a single cab solution so having 2 kind of defeats the purpose.
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Not sure exactly what you meant; but, 2x Berg 212 cabs is a smoking rig for big applications. Of course, you need the correct amplification for the two 4 ohm cabs. Sure, you can get a 212 and then have a separate 412 for bigger shows; but, that config has a bigger storage footprint at home. Which may not be an issue for some, but is an issue for me.
 
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bucephylus said:
That's not a bad summary of the AE212; except the scooped mids part. You may have perceived it that way because the lows were running away a little bit. My sense is the AE is very even but somewhat enhanced on the low end; which CAN run away with certain amps driving it. The solution I found with the AE's is to add an HPF to get control of that pillow. Using an amp with appropriate HPF control, the AE212 is very even elsewhere and does just fine in the lower mids area.

IME
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Good call I agree. matter of fact I bought the AE212 over the AE410 because I liked the mids better. UPPER mids. (800-1000z) We HAVE to be specific about what frequencies we're referring to when we have these discussions otherwise it gets into misunderstandings really quickly.
 
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