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Bergantino AE212; Part 2!!

#281
KJung said:
Sounds like a nice little tweak. Great for the AE210 single cab users.
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I would say for the dual 210 users as well. :p :D

Tony G said:
It always seems to be the case. I get my Nordy vJ5, then Carey comes out with the classic series. I get my AE210, then Jim goes ahead and changes that design (for the better?). It never fails. That is what I get for being an early adopter I guess...:D
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Nah... seriously dude, just get the Penn Elcom plastic stacking corners and screw them on. All good. They're cheap and easy to find on ebay. Get the real deal tho... the knockoffs break and crack too easy.

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#282
Vic said:
Right, and to be absolutely explicitly clear on this, he's literally moving the feet/cups to the short sides, and hes' moving the handles and "B" route to the long sides, but the dimensions of the cab, speaker placement, crossover, etc, everything else about the cab, it's components and voicing, is the exactly the same.
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I don't know that the handle placement has been determined. I just bought a second 210 with the existing config. I put a bug in Greg's ear to pass on to Jim. I think that moving the handles to the "long" side of the cab could be a mistake. I run my 210 vertical, having added a set of feet to the "side." I like the handle "on top" with this, as it is easy to one-hand carry and load in/out of my car. If the handles move to the long end of the cab, that might make it harder to carry/load. Maybe it would make it easier, but frankly I'm happy with the devil I know.
 
#283
nostatic said:
I don't know that the handle placement has been determined. I just bought a second 210 with the existing config. I put a bug in Greg's ear to pass on to Jim. I think that moving the handles to the "long" side of the cab could be a mistake. I run my 210 vertical, having added a set of feet to the "side." I like the handle "on top" with this, as it is easy to one-hand carry and load in/out of my car. If the handles move to the long end of the cab, that might make it harder to carry/load. Maybe it would make it easier, but frankly I'm happy with the devil I know.
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I called Jim on the phone directly before posting. :p :)

So unless he changes his mind, what I posted earlier is the deal. :)

That said, I get your point, but I don't think it'll matter much. Personally, I would like the handles on the "new sides" because I like to run cables through there, and currently, I can't.
 
#284
Well, then I'm glad I bought the old design :D

It probably won't make that much of a difference due to the thin profile of the cab (one reason I love the 210). The only complaint I've seen about the 212 is the handle placement and that it can be awkward to load. At 40lbs I don't consider the 210 a two-handed cab, so it may be fine to carry top or side. I suspect the 212 isn't so much of a one-hand cab.

At any rate - total non-issue to me as on Tue I'll have my second 210 and I'm not buying any more cabs for awhile. I just have to install a set of feet on the new cab and will call it good. The heads fit fine over the handle opening on the top so that is a non-issue as well.
 
#285
Vic said:
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Nah... seriously dude, just get the Penn Elcom plastic stacking corners and screw them on. All good. They're cheap and easy to find on ebay. Get the real deal tho... the knockoffs break and crack too easy.

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Yeah, I've been thinking about doing that for some time now. However, I kind of like the AE210 in it's horizontal,yet offset, configuration. When I stand it on its side, it doesn't quite sound the same to me as when in default orientation. It's probably just a jedi mind trick though.
 
#287
tombowlus said:
The AE210 is going to be reoriented, much like a smaller version of the AE212, so that it stands "tall" instead of "wide." From what I understand, it should sound/perform exactly as it has before.
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I've tried to use my AE210 (love it) standing up. It hasn't sounded the same. Seemed to thin it out a bit. If nothing at all is changed, aside from rubber feet and handles, I don't see how it could sound exactly the same.
 
#288
B String said:
I've tried to use my AE210 (love it) standing up. It hasn't sounded the same. Seemed to thin it out a bit. If nothing at all is changed, aside from rubber feet and handles, I don't see how it could sound exactly the same.
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Mids are directional... bass is not. Whenever you move a driver up closer to your ear by putting a cab 'sideways'.. even a little bit, it will sound like you are pumping less bass. What you are actually hearing is more mids (i.e., a higher 'mid to low bass ratio) due to you being more 'in the beam' of those mids, especially the upper mids.
 
#289
B String said:
I've tried to use my AE210 (love it) standing up. It hasn't sounded the same. Seemed to thin it out a bit. If nothing at all is changed, aside from rubber feet and handles, I don't see how it could sound exactly the same.
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I would think that a little bass boost would even-out the change in the frequency balance that you're hearing when going from horizontal to vertical.

I put all the cabs that I've used on top of a milk crate to hear myself better (especially on tight stages); since I'm decreasing the driver/boundary low end reinforcement, I bump the bass boost up a little bit to compensate.
 
#290
B String said:
I've tried to use my AE210 (love it) standing up. It hasn't sounded the same. Seemed to thin it out a bit.
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I've had this exact same experience as noted in my post above, but you described it better.

KJung said:
Mids are directional... bass is not. Whenever you move a driver up closer to your ear by putting a cab 'sideways'.. even a little bit, it will sound like you are pumping less bass. What you are actually hearing is more mids (i.e., a higher 'mid to low bass ratio) due to you being more 'in the beam' of those mids, especially the upper mids.
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Very interesting. You'd think I'd know something like this by now...;)
 
#293
@AE210 stacked vertical... funny... the thing Tony G and B String both didn't like about that is exactly what I do like about it. I can just hear myself so much better when I have a bit more upper mid presence, and at least in my case, I don't feel like it's lacking in the low end in that case, either. To each their own, it's a good thing. :)
 
#295
Vic said:
@AE210 stacked vertical... funny... the thing Tony G and B String both didn't like about that is exactly what I do like about it. I can just hear myself so much better when I have a bit more upper mid presence, and at least in my case, I don't feel like it's lacking in the low end in that case, either. To each their own, it's a good thing. :)
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+1, especially with my Rob Allen which has such big booty. My regular sunday night thing has a 2 level stage and I put the amp back on the rear riser and then a stool on the lower part. When sitting the cab is right about ear level about 12 feet behind me. The mids are right there for me to hear and I don't have to turn up that much. Still plenty of bass out in the house.
 
#296
Random question here. I keep hearing about the low end extension of the ae212. Has anyone measured it? Ie 60hz f3... i am in a position to not be able to demo this cab and wanted a number to get a good comparison. Thanks.
 
#297
Vic said:
@AE210 stacked vertical... funny... the thing Tony G and B String both didn't like about that is exactly what I do like about it. I can just hear myself so much better when I have a bit more upper mid presence, and at least in my case, I don't feel like it's lacking in the low end in that case, either. To each their own, it's a good thing. :)
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The AE210 isn't known for having a big bottom. Maybe a full low mid or upper bass, put not much real low end. No matter what amp I use I'm usually boosting a little low end just to support the ensemble. This is a very small box for a pair of tens. If I keep it on the floor I feel like I'm getting as much low end as I can coupling with the floor or stage.
Am I wrong? Is my thinking faulty? Should I get a dog?
 
#299
B String said:
The AE210 isn't known for having a big bottom. Maybe a full low mid or upper bass, put not much real low end. No matter what amp I use I'm usually boosting a little low end just to support the ensemble. This is a very small box for a pair of tens. If I keep it on the floor I feel like I'm getting as much low end as I can coupling with the floor or stage.
Am I wrong? Is my thinking faulty? Should I get a dog?
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I do think it's true the 10's won't have as much natural low end as the 12's, and may rely more on cab tuning for that, but in most of the live settings I play in, anything lower than what the 210's produce authoritatively is problematic... causing more interference than enjoyment. Now, if I was playing in a much sparser mix, like maybe a more polite jazz combo more often, I might like the 212 a bit better, but the mixes I play in most often are crowded and loud. The 210 just cuts through that, and does it somehow without sounding boxy or nasal. Just the "right amount" of bottom for me and my current situation.
 
#300
B String said:
The AE210 isn't known for having a big bottom. Maybe a full low mid or upper bass, put not much real low end. No matter what amp I use I'm usually boosting a little low end just to support the ensemble. This is a very small box for a pair of tens. If I keep it on the floor I feel like I'm getting as much low end as I can coupling with the floor or stage.
Am I wrong? Is my thinking faulty? Should I get a dog?
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Depends on the ensemble, especially the drummer as well as the instrument. I find a bunch of ultra low bass just fights the kick. I never boost the bass with my ae210. Right now I run the S900 with bass at about 10:30. With the Rob Allen, I sometimes dial a bit back on the bass as well, depending on the room.

I prefer cats because I can go out of town for a few days and not worry about them.
 

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