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Bergantino AE212; Part 2!!

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B String said:
The AE210 isn't known for having a big bottom. Maybe a full low mid or upper bass, put not much real low end. No matter what amp I use I'm usually boosting a little low end just to support the ensemble. This is a very small box for a pair of tens. If I keep it on the floor I feel like I'm getting as much low end as I can coupling with the floor or stage.
Am I wrong? Is my thinking faulty? Should I get a dog?
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That is a bit of a different issue, and also the issue Vic is talking about... three separate issues:

1) 10's versus 12's in the Berg line... definitely the 10's are tighter (this isn't necessarily the case across manufacturers, but in the AE case, the 10's are particularly 'tight' and low mid punchy, and the AE212 is particularly deep and big sounding). So, +1 to Vic's comment... these cabs will each shine with different players or, as Vic mentioned, different contexts.

2) Small cabs... per Bruce's point, the AE210 is a relatively small box, and the voicing is tight. If you want big low end, a single 210 will not typically do it (and even a deeply voiced one like the UL210 will only 'do it' up to a certain volume level). If one were looking for significant 'real' low end in a small box, the AE210 would not be my recommendation. It is clear and tight and punchy.

3) Horizontal versus Vertical.... This would not impact mechanical coupling, and also would not really impact acoustic coupling. Per my post above, what it will do is get the directional upper mids a bit closer to your ear (i.e., putting your ear more within the 'upper mid beam' when standing close to the cab), that will make the cab sound a bit brighter, and as a result, seem like there is a bit less low end. 10' out from the cab, you will hear no difference on axis, and just a slight better upper mid response off axis.

IMO and IME:)
 
#303
nostatic said:
Depends on the ensemble, especially the drummer as well as the instrument. I find a bunch of ultra low bass just fights the kick. I never boost the bass with my ae210. Right now I run the S900 with bass at about 10:30. With the Rob Allen, I sometimes dial a bit back on the bass as well, depending on the room.

I prefer cats because I can go out of town for a few days and not worry about them.
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+1 to both as well. You guys a speakin' my language. :)
 
#304
nostatic said:
Depends on the ensemble, especially the drummer as well as the instrument. I find a bunch of ultra low bass just fights the kick. I never boost the bass with my ae210. Right now I run the S900 with bass at about 10:30. With the Rob Allen, I sometimes dial a bit back on the bass as well, depending on the room.

I prefer cats because I can go out of town for a few days and not worry about them.
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Don't fool yourself. Your cats hate you.
 
#306
Vic said:
No, they're indifferent about us for the most part, but I like that about them. :)
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They'd tear your face off and crap on your pillow if they thought you'd still feed them. For God's sake, don't turn your back on them.
Speaking of Berg's.... One of the things I like about the AE210 is the thick low mid. I believe the AE112 goes a bit deeper but does it loose some of that thick punchy low mid??
 
#307
B String said:
They'd tear your face off and crap on your pillow if they thought you'd still feed them. For God's sake, don't turn your back on them.
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LOL!!!! :D :D

Speaking of Berg's.... One of the things I like about the AE210 is the thick low mid. I believe the AE112 goes a bit deeper but does it loose some of that thick punchy low mid??
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I think so. Not that it doesn't have them, but I do think the AE210 has a bit of a peak down there as well... I suspect that's mostly about the cab's tuning because it seems to be a fairly specific bump, but I could be wrong.
 
#308
You guys are full of it, if you want thick low mids try the HS210s.:D The AE210s have that high mid grind that I love with a J bass. The HS210/AE210 stack is perfect blend IMO. No cats, no dogs, three young boys:) oh and an AE212 and AE410.
 
#309
Saluki said:
You guys are full of it, if you want thick low mids try the HS210s.:D The AE210s have that high mid grind that I love with a J bass. The HS210/AE210 stack is perfect blend IMO. No cats, no dogs, three young boys:) oh and an AE212 and AE410.
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If I go to that much weight, I'd use my Epi UL310. At 47lbs its still one of my fav's and would give me a little more than the HS210. Although its a very nice box.
 
#313
bassmahn said:
Any of you guys experiment with the AE 210 and AE 112 as a stack?
Just curious how that would stack up against the 212 or the 410...
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To maybe at least partially answer this...

IMHO, the AE112 is a completely different beast than "1/2 of an AE212". I hear them as very differently voiced. The 212 seems to be big and even, whereas the 112 seems to be stronger in the upper mids... really, more like the AE210, but still yet again different.

So I say apples/oranges on this one. I'd think the 210/112 rig would be a tight chest punching animal, whereas the 212, and maybe even the 410, might hit you more evenly, or even in the gut by comparison.

IMHO anyway. I have very limited experience with the 410 myself, so keep that in mind.
 
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