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Bergantino AE212; Part 2!!

#341
Interesting and thanks for chiming in on the 112 question...sounds like a good combination when added horsepower is needed.

I did my 2nd gig with this cabinet with a Markbass F-1 in a bar last night that gets loud sometimes and even with "only" 500 watts to work with I was still not maxed out volume wise and I was surprised with the amount of headroom I still had on the amp. (The F-1 continues to astonish me) This is a venue that always required a 4-10 cabinet so I guess that answers that question too.
 
#342
Chef said:
The shelf ports on the AE410 chuffed like a mofo, for me. I know I'm pretty singular with this issue, on that cab.

The rear ports on the AE212 will be nowhere near a mic, and the way they're flanged really eliminates most of that anyway; it really reduces air speed on the way out of the port. I have much better luck with those type of ports, personally.

Some folks never have issues like that, and the UL410 has similar shelf ports, but I can never make that thing hiccup no matter how hard I slam it.
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Me too. If you like to palm mute and play with your thumb the chuffing is a show stopper. Great cab otherwise. Maybe Jim will fix it now there's two of us? :D
 
#343
I've been using my AE212 with ALL my amps- just to see which I LIKE the best with the cab.

AE212 - With the '91 SVTII sounds great- cannot fault it at all. ONLY cab I like better with this amp is the Bergantino NV215 :hyper:

- with the Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 again 'triffic :smug: I love how the Shuttle can get a nice break up if U dial that in & the mid freq adjust is great to enable a 'cut-thru' tone Or a rounder scooped one & the AE handles it all well.

with Mark Bass LMII - altho I still love this amp with the AE112 & NV215 I Don't really 'love' it with the AE212- dunno why really, but it just doesn't seem to 'mate' well. Sounds sterile(to me) & doesn't cut thru much. strange- coz it's the opposite with the AE112.

With the MESA Walkabout amp. Another superb combination- this amp :) what can I say- it just does "IT" well. Sure it ain't the most "modern' sounding amp, but for ALL other purposes it the schnizz!!

with the TRAYNOR YBA200 -pretty good!! No real 'faults' just not QUITE as nice as with the SVTII or Mesa WA. With the Horn turned off it gave me a nice gritty OD sound & did everything well....

So My faves were the GB Shuttle 6.0 & SVTII CLOSELY followed by the MESA WA. Then the YBA200 & lastly the MB LMII.
Of course YMMV- these are all just MY findings & some were in the same club (GB Shuttle 6.0, LMII & YBA200) Others were in large function rooms- (Mesa WA, SVTII & Shuttle 6.0)

Hope this helps or at least provides someone with 3 mins of reading.....:D
 
#344
OMG!
It's not just me;)

KJ gave me a bit of a hard time over this, and perhaps justifiably so, but, I really am not a massively bottom heavy dub-sound kinda guy, and in fact in most cases, I'm actively rolling low end off under 60hz or so.
Plenty of folks love the AE410, for me, it just wasn't gonna work.

I need to try an AE212 next...


I Forget said:
Me too. If you like to palm mute and play with your thumb the chuffing is a show stopper. Great cab otherwise. Maybe Jim will fix it now there's two of us? :D
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#346
I have loved my AE212 for the fairly short time I've had it, but I think I want an AE410 instead. The 212 doesn't quite have the balance between mids and lows that I think I want long term. I almost hate to part with it, but I really took a gamble on ordering it instead of the AE410 even though I wanted the AE410 for years. I think I'm going to put mine up on the block for trade.
 
#347
chris lykins said:
Love my HT322 and NV215 and thought I was set until I was at Bass NW and say how small this cab was! Total car load ease. I gues my wallet will be lighter sometime in the future (after tax season)
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Yeah- the weight & size helped :eyebrow: me grab one. & knowing the Jim;s cabs are just great helped :hiding:

I find it LOOKS just like a mini NV215, & if U turn off the horn it ain't a million miles from it. Doesn't have the tight, focused LOW'S of the NV215 tho. Still LOVELY & plenty of lows, but the NV215 is just smoo-oo-ooth :hyper:
 
#348
Chef said:
OMG!
It's not just me;)

KJ gave me a bit of a hard time over this, and perhaps justifiably so, but, I really am not a massively bottom heavy dub-sound kinda guy, and in fact in most cases, I'm actively rolling low end off under 60hz or so.
Plenty of folks love the AE410, for me, it just wasn't gonna work.

I need to try an AE212 next...
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Same here, I just like to use the mute/thumb thing to get an old school vibe at times. For me the chuff didn't seem to be related to overdoing the low eq. I found that the same notes on the E string that were fine chuffed like crazy when played on the B. Something to do with the amount of fundamental vs harmonic content I guess.

I'm hoping for an AE410 mk II with the 212's style of porting, I'm just a 10's kinda guy.

ps you've got to be bigger than Ken, why didn't you just push him over and sit on him for a while? He would have come around soon enough. :p
 
#349
I Forget said:
Me too. If you like to palm mute and play with your thumb the chuffing is a show stopper. Great cab otherwise. Maybe Jim will fix it now there's two of us? :D
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Interesting. You must really be pushing some air with that to make that port chuff. Wow! I just did a gig with the very big low end of the Streamliner totally cranked with a P Bass at very high volumes, with again, as with most, no issue.

However, as I've posted before, this cab is voiced bright and tight, and I guess if you try to make it something it is not, then on rare occasions, you might run into issues. I still can't imagine the low end air you would have to push through that cab to make that happen, but obviously you could. For those style players, there is the AE212!
 
#351
Chef
Me and my 1961 King


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OMG!
It's not just me

KJ gave me a bit of a hard time over this, and perhaps justifiably so, but, I really am not a massively bottom heavy dub-sound kinda guy, and in fact in most cases, I'm actively rolling low end off under 60hz or so.
Plenty of folks love the AE410, for me, it just wasn't gonna work.

I need to try an AE212 next...
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Wish someone (Chef?) would talk to Jim Bergantino about this and get his input...
 
#352
lo-freq said:
Wish someone (Chef?) would talk to Jim Bergantino about this and get his input...
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I believe Chef did speak with Jim. If I remember correctly, it was just one of those really strange things, since it is such a rare occurence. You would have to put MASSIVE air through that port to get it to chuff, and I guess there are the rare players who through technique and voicing and instrument actually do that.

When this happened, I tried to replicate the issue with my F1 by boosting the bass control (40hz and below shelving) by 12 db and cranking p the volume, and could not get the port to chuff (although I got the cab to sound pretty bad!).

Chef can post up, but I don't think Jim could replicate the issue either, which is why there was no design change and as far as I know, no design change planned.
 
#354
Eublet said:
I wonder if it was a defective cab. Maybe the shelf ports weren't parallel, causing some pinching at the opening.
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I don't believe that was the case. I believe Jim sent Chef another cab (if I'm remembering right) and the same thing happened. IMO, just a strange and very rare situation, due I would assume to hundreds of variables coming together in just the wrong way for those few players who have had this issue.

Hopefully Chef will post up again, since I'm just going by memory, since we were PMing back and forth at the time this happened.
 
#355
KJung said:
Interesting. You must really be pushing some air with that to make that port chuff.
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Surprisingly, no. The cabs I tried would chuff when playing at a volume I could talk over. It was mostly the B string, but not just the low notes, right up to the 12th fret would do it. Only ever happened with palm muting tho, swap back to regular fingerstyle and it would disappear. I don't think palm muting is trying to make any cab something it's not, I find it particularly useful for quiter sections of a tune. Unfortunately when it's quiet is just when I don't want it to chuff!

I guess it shows how effectively technique can alter eq. I don't use any unusual eq settings, no pedals and I've never experienced a cab chuffing in about 15 years of playing. I do use a pre/power rig tho, not a tight'n brite ultralight with a HPF set quite high, maybe that makes the difference?

Anyway that cab is obviously making loads of other players happy. Like Chef, I thought it was just me! :)
 
#359
I Forget said:
Surprisingly, no. The cabs I tried would chuff when playing at a volume I could talk over. It was mostly the B string, but not just the low notes, right up to the 12th fret would do it. Only ever happened with palm muting tho, swap back to regular fingerstyle and it would disappear. I don't think palm muting is trying to make any cab something it's not, I find it particularly useful for quiter sections of a tune. Unfortunately when it's quiet is just when I don't want it to chuff!

I guess it shows how effectively technique can alter eq. I don't use any unusual eq settings, no pedals and I've never experienced a cab chuffing in about 15 years of playing. I do use a pre/power rig tho, not a tight'n brite ultralight with a HPF set quite high, maybe that makes the difference?

Anyway that cab is obviously making loads of other players happy. Like Chef, I thought it was just me! :)
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+1 My guess is, the combination of that wide open power amp down low (assuming you didn't have a hi pass on it), and the thumb muting and the B string low frequency (probably a lot of B string 32hz fundamental cranking into the cab), resulted in you pushing a lot of power into that cab below the tuning point .... especially if this happens at low volume. Again, this is not the cab you want if you are pumping massive low end into it (and as you say, that can have very little to do with turning up a bass EQ control).... just not what it is. Kind of like the Acme cabs if you slap.... just not a good match at all unless you have some pretty good hi pass filtering capability.
 
#360
Realised I hadn't posted a pic of MY AE212 on here................
Cannot have this!!

But CAN have this.
Mesa WA on top of Berg AE212
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