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Bergantino AE212; Part 2!!

#401
macribas said:
Thanks Vic,
Sorry but I could not understand what that Wikipedia article said. I majored in Electrical Engineering and have never heard of pink noise, neither could make any sense of how it can make my AE212 sound better.
Forgive my ignorance, but I also have never heard that cabinets needed to be broken in. How does that pink noise help in that, and how can you generate pink noise?
I just got a new AE212 and have played with it twice. Does it still make sense to "break it in"?
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This topic always gets confusing. There is no need to formally 'break in' a speaker.... zero need. Period. HOWEVER, some drivers surrounds will get more elastic and loosen up a bit over the first few hours (or more) of playing. This depends quite a bit on the particular driver, and of course, if you get a cab new out of the box or one that has been played in a music store.

On some cabs (very few in my experience) you will notice a slight deepening of the low end, and as a result, a smoothing of the midrange given the increased ratio of low end to mids. This will typically happen during the first hour or so of playing.

The AE212 is one of those cabs that I (and others) have found to sound a little more open down low after the first hour or two of playing. However, you don't need to do anything special (pink noise or whatever) to achieve this. Just play the thing, and if you notice a touch more low end toward the end of your first gig... bonus:p

Put another way, even if there is a 'break-in' effect, there is no advantage to a formal break-in routine. An AE212 with a pink noise generator running through it for a day will sound identical to another AE212 that has been used on a couple of gigs.
 
#403
A little bit OT, but I just pulled the trigger on a pair of AE112's for my "AE212"... they've been on my "list" for a while now, and I guess the neo market thing was enough to drive it to the top of that list.
 
#405
Vic said:
A little bit OT, but I just pulled the trigger on a pair of AE112's for my "AE212"... they've been on my "list" for a while now, and I guess the neo market thing was enough to drive it to the top of that list.
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Yeah ...and now I wonder if I should quickly score a pair of GK Neo 112 II's before things get outta hand. Hmmm. Good for you Vic! Can't blame you a bit!
 
#406
Vic said:
A little bit OT, but I just pulled the trigger on a pair of AE112's for my "AE212"... they've been on my "list" for a while now, and I guess the neo market thing was enough to drive it to the top of that list.
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I almost pulled the trigger on that yesterday. But figured 1 AE1x12 was enough for me. I still may change my mind and buy a second one though. ;)
 
#407
KJung said:
Excellent! I can just hear that stack with the MBFusion.... nice!
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Yeah, I do love those other 112 cabs I have, but even with the other heads I have, I've just always loved how the AE112's have a bit more going on in the mids than most 112 cabs (and also a bit more than the AE212, as well, which also works for me.) That Berg punch... it's addictive.
 
#411
Eublet said:
Just one. The plan was to add another later, or maybe an Ae210.
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...if they're available. China is playing hardball here. May drive the product pricing up beyond what the market will bear for products that use a lot of Neo... like speaker cabinets. The price hikes and time frames are pretty phenomenal. That's the only reason I jumped right now. Remember, this isn't just a Berg Neo 112 thing... it's an overall Neo thing... it's gonna' hit all the vendors on all their Neo products eventually.
 
#412
Vic said:
...if they're available. China is playing hardball here. May drive the product pricing up beyond what the market will bear for products that use a lot of Neo... like speaker cabinets. The price hikes and time frames are pretty phenomenal. That's the only reason I jumped right now. Remember, this isn't just a Berg Neo 112 thing... it's an overall Neo thing... it's gonna' hit all the vendors on all their Neo products eventually.
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Exactly. Which is why I am thinking of getting a second. I know where I can get one and may pick it up just to have it. Just in case this whole thing plays out very poorly for the cabinet makers. Worst case, I can get my money back out of it later. Grrr....You always cause me these problems Vic. LOL
 
#414
Slightly OT but... has anyone used the AE210 with a RH450? I've been pretty happy with my RH/AE410 combo but have been thinking of picking up a smaller cab for certain stages we play. I'm assuming it will sound just as good -- albeit smaller.
 
#416
Joelc73 said:
Slightly OT but... has anyone used the AE210 with a RH450? I've been pretty happy with my RH/AE410 combo but have been thinking of picking up a smaller cab for certain stages we play. I'm assuming it will sound just as good -- albeit smaller.
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I have, and you would be correct. :)
 
#418
KJung said:
From my info from Don at Low Down Sound, it was only Eminence that significantly increased their price on their neo speaker line. However, unfortunately, Jim uses Eminence drivers in his AE line. In order to switch over to Faital or Bema or whatever, that means boxes need to be redesigned, crossovers recalibrated, etc.

To give you an example, Don's cost for a 3015LF loaded 51/6 cab has increased $50 due to the driver price increase.
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Of course it is just a matter of time before this ripples out to the rest of the manufacturers.

I suspect anything using neodymium will either skyrocket in cost or get priced out of the market altogether.

Looking forward to Jim B's next line of cabs -- suspect an excellent attempt to reduce the weight of conventional magnet driver cabs.

Will be interesting to see if he tries to get close to the sonic signature of the AE's or what...

Whatever he does, there is zero doubt that they will sound most excellent.
 
#419
I just got my AE212 in from Willie's Guitars in St. Paul. This thing is awesome! Exactly what I thought it would be. It sounds fantastic with my F1 and my Streamliner 900. I love both these amps through it. I can use the F1 for those "problem rooms" where I need to really cut like a knife in a dance band, and the streamliner for those more sparse settings where I can take up some more sonic space, I love how full the streamliner sounds with both the AE212 and my AE112 (it really can grind through the 112) Thanks Jim Bergantino, everything you touch turns to gold!
 
#420
lo-freq said:
I suspect anything using neodymium will either skyrocket in cost or get priced out of the market altogether.
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Not necessarily. There are products that have Neo magnets as critical components, but that those Neo components only make up a very small fraction of the overall product build. Those products will be able to easily absorb exhorbitant pricing. It's only the products that use large amounts of Neo per item... speaker cabs are probably going to be by far the hardest hit in the consumer market.
 

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