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Bergantino B/Amp at NAMM

#101
nostatic said:
Yeah, but you can't hear it anywhere near gig volume (unless you play really low volume gigs). The db police at NAMM are pretty quick on the draw to shut people down. Given Jim's history, I have no doubt it will be a killer clean/big headroom amp.
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The dB gestapo came by several times while I was there - there was they guy holding the dB meter and a very strict lady who said, "... if we have to tell you again, we'll shut you down." We dragged Joey Lauricella down to try out Jim's amp late Sunday afternoon and Joey cranked it up pretty good, but since it was late, no one seemed to care.
 
#102
azwhofan said:
from what I saw the Q is not variable. When I asked about it possibly being fully or semi parametric, the answer I got was "Sure, we could probably program that at some point, but we're still somewhat working on the Amp settings and other programming tasks we need to complete to get this to market".

IMHO, semi or fully para EQ would be a PITA to dial in at a gig on the fly given using the 4 front dials. If at some point it had a touchscreen editor/librarian capability (or some kind of floorboard interface) then I could see that being very gig worthy. Otherwise I can only see variable Q being useful as a stored program that you could dial in when in a familiar room.
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I does have semi-parametric EQ. From what I understand, the cabinet presets do utilize different Q to optimize the cabs' response, so it may be possible to program the amp for variable Q, but I don't know. I agree that at some point it could get to be a bit too much to have so many variables. I think Jim balanced practicality with versatility pretty well with the existing features.
 
#104
Munjibunga said:
I agree that at some point it could get to be a bit too much to have so many variables. I think Jim balanced practicality with versatility pretty well with the existing features.
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We always ask for the extra little bit of rope that gives people the flexibility to hang themselves. A tough balance for someone trying market a feature filled product that always sounds good when we want to screw with it all.
 
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#105
+1.

My experience with very complex set of controls (not that a fully parametric module is very complex, but...) is that in a live setup it is difficult to deal with. Therefore, I prefer as simple as possible, as long as the amp has bass, mid and treble controls with well-thought central frequencies.

With guitar it might be a bit more difficult, but in one of our recent concerts with very high volume levels, our guitar player had a Mesa amp which has tons of knobs and switches on which created so many issues on the fly. I wish he played the gig with the Vox AC-30 of the house!

In short, anything complex, I stay away from for my live gigs. But being so much in love with the Bergie's, this is on top of the GAS list! :)

Cheers,

Alper


Munjibunga said:
I does have semi-parametric EQ. From what I understand, the cabinet presets do utilize different Q to optimize the cabs' response, so it may be possible to program the amp for variable Q, but I don't know. I agree that at some point it could get to be a bit too much to have so many variables. I think Jim balanced practicality with versatility pretty well with the existing features.
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#106
Alper Yilmaz said:
+1.

My experience with very complex set of controls (not that a fully parametric module is very complex, but...) is that in a live setup it is difficult to deal with. Therefore, I prefer as simple as possible, as long as the amp has bass, mid and treble controls with well-thought central frequencies.

With guitar it might be a bit more difficult, but in one of our recent concerts with very high volume levels, our guitar player had a Mesa amp which has tons of knobs and switches on which created so many issues on the fly. I wish he played the gig with the Vox AC-30 of the house!

In short, anything complex, I stay away from for my live gigs. But being so much in love with the Bergie's, this is on top of the GAS list! :)

Cheers,

Alper
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With the amp's semi-parametric EQ you can adjust the center frequencies if you're not fond of the ones Jim made the default. However, having listened to the amp with the preset optimization through most of his cabs, I don't think I'd have too much need to fiddle with the EQ, even the levels. Jim has it dialed in nicely the way it sits. I'm with you on complexity.

One time a long time ago I was entranced by all the controls on the Mesa M-2000. Wow! Switches, knobs, faders ... everything. After spending an hour or so trying to dial in my tone, I got frustrated and left. It might have been in there, but finding it was too complicated. With the B/Amp it's going to be pretty much set it and forget it for me.
 
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#109
Sounds like a perfect one amp solution for my HT112ER/EX112ER stack and my NV115 (soon to be x2!) I REALLY hope Jim decides to program a setting for the HT112ER/EX112ER stack. That or hopefully the HD112 setting will get me close enough... or maybe I'll just have to sell the HT112ER/EX112ER stack and replace it with a pair of HD112's. :D

Either way, I can't remember being this excited for a new product to hit the shelves in quite a while!
 
#110
d00dr said:
Sounds like a perfect one amp solution for my HT112ER/EX112ER stack and my NV115 (soon to be x2!) I REALLY hope Jim decides to program a setting for the HT112ER/EX112ER stack. That or hopefully the HD112 setting will get me close enough... or maybe I'll just have to sell the HT112ER/EX112ER stack and replace it with a pair of HD112's. :D

Either way, I can't remember being this excited for a new product to hit the shelves in quite a while!
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Yes, I've got two HT112ER's and I'm really hoping the same!! I'm not prepared to sell mine for two HD's. They are very similar though.
 
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#111
Munjibunga said:
The filters adjust the amp to optimize the sound from each of his current cabs, so they don't add colour, they actually remove colour in a manner of speaking. By pushing the "Prog" button, you scroll through each cab name and put it on the one that corresponds to the cab you're using. Then you can tweak the sound with the EQ if you think you need to. Jim also has filters for each cab in circumstances where you might have to place it against a wall or in a corner. They will be available when the production models hit the street in 2 or 3 months. The ones at the show are prototypes. I asked him again about the possibility of doing filters for discontinued cabs and he said he may do them at a later time - he doesn't keep older models around, so he'd have to borrow some.
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Do you have any idea whether the filters are in the preamp or post preamp? I'm wondering because it would be great to be able to plug different preamps, such as a Monique, and have the power amp be set to the program for my CN212. That way I could use the Bergantino preamp for more clarity and the Monique for a more tubelike tone, all while having the power amp set for my cabinet...........if that makes any sense.

Thanks!!


Michael
 
#112
dkimbrobass said:
Man it would be great to have a footswitch w/ an amp like this, so you could do EQ presets and muting, in addition to optimizing for cab out puts. That would be great for doublers. One setting for Upright, another for electric...boost, solo, etc. Maybe down the road. -DK
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It will have a footswitch. With some cool features (suggested by some allegedly knowledgeable people). :smug:
 
#115
bucephylus said:
I find the CN410 interesting. Looking forward to someone comparing the CN410 to the CN212.
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The CN410 is more big and round down low, and the CN212 is more present in the upper mids. Both sound great. I prefer the CN212, but that is my subjective take. I'm sure others will prefer the CN410.
 
#119
tombowlus said:
It's the new 700-watt ICEpower module.
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I'm very familiar with that module. Great choice. About the same power as the module used in the little amps (Puma 900, Minnie, GK MB Fusion 800) but much better fidelity, low end control---gorgeous high end. Doesn't sound like an "on the fly" amp to me, but reminds me of the Mini DSP that I have---you program it at home to optimize your speaker (sonic surgery), then on the gig you can do the general "sonic shaping" with the available tone controls. But with the Berg--ya only got one box!
 
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