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Bergentino vs. Epifani

#22
The main reason I was thinking of getting a 1x12 first is price. $500 as opposed to $750. Right now I'm playing through a borrowed 2x12 cabinet that I don't like very well. One bass speaker, one guitar speaker, no name cabinet. Time to upgrade the speakers to match the pre amp and the bass quality - maybe even exceed.
 
#23
bradjonesbass said:
What is the difference between the Performance series and the UL series.
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The PS line is reminiscent of the older NYC stuff. They have a thick, muscular tone that you feel as much as hear. I've played through the latest revs and they sound fantastic.
 
#24
I most definitely like both Epifani and Bergantino cabs. There are some great descriptions of their resepctive differences above, but I'll just add that it seems - in general - that relative to Epifani cabs, Bergs have a more accurate/balanced response, with a stronger midrange presence, and smoother, more "connected" sounding highs. Conversely, relative to Bergantino cabs, Epi's have bigger, slightly blooming low end, some slight scooping to the mids (the frequency of said scoop varies from model to model, IME), and a more obvious, sparkly, airy, woody, but slightly "detached" sounding highs. The Epi's sound more like funk to me, and the Bergs sound more like motown, if that makes any sense. I do not consider either brand to be overly colored (on the whole; individual models can vary), and I am confident that I could get a killer tone (for my tastes) using products from either brand - and in fact, I have done so!

So, I would not say that one is better than the other. I would reflect upon both and smile, knowing that it is indeed a good time to be a bass player. :D Then, I'd buy whichever one sounded the best to my ears using my basses. If it's possible to test drive them on a gig or in a practice, that'd be great, but I think that you could succeed with either brand.

Tom.
 
#25
tombowlus said:
I most definitely like both Epifani and Bergantino cabs. There are some great descriptions of their resepctive differences above, but I'll just add that it seems - in general - that relative to Epifani cabs, Bergs have a more accurate/balanced response, with a stronger midrange presence, and smoother, more "connected" sounding highs. Conversely, relative to Bergantino cabs, Epi's have bigger, slightly blooming low end, some slight scooping to the mids (the frequency of said scoop varies from model to model, IME), and a more obvious, sparkly, airy, woody, but slightly "detached" sounding highs. The Epi's sound more like funk to me, and the Bergs sound more like motown, if that makes any sense. I do not consider either brand to be overly colored (on the whole; individual models can vary), and I am confident that I could get a killer tone (for my tastes) using products from either brand - and in fact, I have done so!

So, I would not say that one is better than the other. I would reflect upon both and smile, knowing that it is indeed a good time to be a bass player. :D Then, I'd buy whichever one sounded the best to my ears using my basses. If it's possible to test drive them on a gig or in a practice, that'd be great, but I think that you could succeed with either brand.

Tom.
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Now there's a helpful post. I think, for what I am going to do, I'll go with the Bergentino for now. That's the sound I'm looking for.:bassist:
 
#27
jive1 said:
The PS is voiced a little deeper than the ULs. The cabinet materials, drivers, and cabinet dimensions are different than the ULs. They are also heavier.

They are more like the old NYC cabs in terms of tone, but they look different cosmetically. From what I've heard, Nick did some tweaks on the cabs since NAMM. I'm curious to see what they are.
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hmm...

i've seen the PS410 at the shop, and yet havent spent alot of time on it. another shop visit? ;)
 
#28
Smallequestrian said:
When I bouught My Berg HT210s, I directly compared it to the Epifani UL2x10. Both were great but I prefered the evenness of the Berg over the somewhat scooped sound of the Epi. The Epi sure was nice though, and easily liftable with one hand. Hard to go wrong, just depends on what you like.
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interesting,

you thought the UL210 was "scooped" vs. the berg?
 
#29
OK, someone has to break up the Joker three-peat. :)

I own a couple Epi's and a couple Berg's right now. The Berg's do sound more focused and articulate through my iAMP800. The Epifani's sound bigger, fuller, and richer through the same amp. I don't consider one to be better than the other. Top notch quality, build, and companies. There is no way you can wrong with either.....no way.

One great thing about these cabs is that they hold their value on the used market quite well. If you buy one or three, you can easily flip them for what you paid.

For me, I'll probably go back to all Epifani. I like the yellow "E" on the black grill.

-Mike
 
#32
bradjonesbass said:
Well, I'm leaning towards the HT122S, combined with the HT210S, mainly for stackability's sake. How do the shallower cabinets sound compared to the deeper cabs?
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That is a combo that I have not heard, but according to Jim, it's basically like an HT322 in a smaller, two-part, package, and the overall tonality of that combo is similar to the HT322, but punchier and more focused. I would have to think that the HT322 might sound a bit "bigger", but this is pure supposition, so please take these comments with a heapin' helpin' of salt.

Tom.
 
#33
tombowlus said:
That is a combo that I have not heard, but according to Jim, it's basically like an HT322 in a smaller, two-part, package, and the overall tonality of that combo is similar to the HT322, but punchier. I would have to think that the HT322 might sound a bit "bigger", but this is pure supposition, so please take these comments with a heapin' helpin' of salt.

Tom.
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oh. my. freakin'.
 
#34
tombowlus said:
The Epi's sound more like funk to me, and the Bergs sound more like motown, if that makes any sense.
Tom.
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When Tom or Ken start describing cabs it's like reading a wine review. They work really hard to describe what is very difficult to put into words, and I work very hard to understand. However, the above quotation is succinct and superb. My problem is I love motown and funk and my budget is very limited.
 
#35
bradjonesbass said:
Now there's a helpful post. I think, for what I am going to do, I'll go with the Bergentino for now. That's the sound I'm looking for.:bassist:
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A couple months back I went on a spree to find the perfect cabs for me, and tried just about every cab known to man.

That said I went with the Bergs, and doubt youd regret trying them.
 
#36
Aaron Schiff said:
When Tom or Ken start describing cabs it's like reading a wine review. They work really hard to describe what is very difficult to put into words, and I work very hard to understand. However, the above quotation is succinct and superb. My problem is I love motown and funk and my budget is very limited.
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Thank you for the kind words, Aaron! I do appreciate it. However, to qualify my "funk" versus "motown" comment, let me add that both Bergantino and Epifani cabs can cover a very wide range of ground, and please don't think of those descriptions as limiting qualities. To clarify, I think that Epifani would have an edge over Bergantino cabs when it comes to funk, and Bergs would have an edge over Epi's when it comes to motown - though either brand could certain do a great job at motown, funk, rock, county, ska, punk, polka, or whatever. ;)
 
#37
jokerjkny said:
interesting,

you thought the UL210 was "scooped" vs. the berg?
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Yep, Tom pretty much echos my thoughts here as well. A/B'ing them it was quite apparent, and I am not somebody who regularly notices this kind of thing.

TomBowlus said:
in general - that relative to Epifani cabs, Bergs have a more accurate/balanced response, with a stronger midrange presence, and smoother, more "connected" sounding highs. Conversely, relative to Bergantino cabs, Epi's have bigger, slightly blooming low end, some slight scooping to the mids (the frequency of said scoop varies from model to model, IME), and a more obvious, sparkly, airy, woody, but slightly "detached" sounding highs.
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#38
MJ5150 said:
I own a couple Epi's and a couple Berg's right now. The Berg's do sound more focused and articulate through my iAMP800. The Epifani's sound bigger, fuller, and richer through the same amp. I don't consider one to be better than the other. Top notch quality, build, and companies. There is no way you can wrong with either.....no way.

One great thing about these cabs is that they hold their value on the used market quite well. If you buy one or three, you can easily flip them for what you paid.
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Well put. I have come to the same conclusion.
 
#40
tombowlus said:
Thank you for the kind words, Aaron! I do appreciate it. However, to qualify my "funk" versus "motown" comment, let me add that both Bergantino and Epifani cabs can cover a very wide range of ground, and please don't think of those descriptions as limiting qualities. To clarify, I think that Epifani would have an edge over Bergantino cabs when it comes to funk, and Bergs would have an edge over Epi's when it comes to motown - though either brand could certain do a great job at motown, funk, rock, county, ska, punk, polka, or whatever. ;)
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interesting you say,

cause with the bergs, i start thinking old school funk ala al green, curtis mayfield. while the epifani stuff does tend to come across as new school r&b/soul ala jill scott and jaguar wright.

course, that's a buncha joker flavor bolonga, cause you can kick it on whatever you pleez. :p
 

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