Big E Speakers pt 3

[Mike Arnopol]

ok
The 45 has two parallel inputs. The 110 sub has an input ---the second Speakon jack is through the high pass filter to the 45.

The 110 sub ALWAYS goes through the low-pass filter. Never full range. The Kappalite 3010lf kindof sucks above a certain point---which is why we are able to use it to its full advantage by crossing it over lower. I have to stop trying to get a cab to do everything---the 110 sub is just that--a sub.

It's 8 ohms. The 45 is also 8. Coyote is getting one of the few 4 ohm 26's. I'll likely do a big buy of 8 ohm 6.5's---when I can afford it. I want to be able to offer the 46 as either 4 or 8 ohms--I just initially had to make a choice.

So--if you go through the crossover on the 110 sub and into the 45 you're getting a big 8 ohm cab. If you go into the 45 first and then through the parallel input on the 45 into the 110---you are getting two 8 ohm cabs in parallel--or 4 ohms. In this configuration the low end is bigger and since the 45 is not high passed--it will run out of steam earlier. But the 110 is adding low end volume so it's close. There is a -3db pad switch on the high pass portion of the 110 sub xover. That's because the 45/110 functions the flattest with the 45 padded down 3db. For a bit mid forward sound---don't pad it.

The other way you could run the 45 and 110 sub parallel is if your amp has two parallel Speakon jacks.

Make sense?

 

[Mike Arnopol]

The 45 and 26 go about the same volume. VD is virtually the same. But---the 26 goes a lot lower. It's a great 5 string speaker. The 45 is not. The 45 is great with upright and 4 string.

The 26 is bigger in the low end--and more powerful down there.

It has really good mids---but the mids on the 45 are a bit more pristine. When you pair the 45 with the 110 sub it's a different ball game. If you go through the xover then you're taking away the low end limits of the 45 and replacing them with the 110.

I'll play the 26 with the 110 sub tomorrow before I ship it. I'll see how it sounds with the 3db pad---should be pretty close.

 

[MarkA]

I've rolled tubes in a lot of preamps and heads, and IME/IMHO, the WalkAbout is one of the more responsive amps/pres out there when it comes to swapping tubes.

Never swapped tubes in anything before. Good to know. As I said, the difference was a good deal more than the "tweak" I anticipated.

 

[MarkA]

ok
The 45 has two parallel inputs. The 110 sub has an input ---the second Speakon jack is through the high pass filter to the 45.

The 110 sub ALWAYS goes through the low-pass filter. Never full range. The Kappalite 3010lf kindof sucks above a certain point---which is why we are able to use it to its full advantage by crossing it over lower. I have to stop trying to get a cab to do everything---the 110 sub is just that--a sub.

It's 8 ohms. The 45 is also 8. Coyote is getting one of the few 4 ohm 26's. I'll likely do a big buy of 8 ohm 6.5's---when I can afford it. I want to be able to offer the 46 as either 4 or 8 ohms--I just initially had to make a choice.

So--if you go through the crossover on the 110 sub and into the 45 you're getting a big 8 ohm cab. If you go into the 45 first and then through the parallel input on the 45 into the 110---you are getting two 8 ohm cabs in parallel--or 4 ohms. In this configuration the low end is bigger and since the 45 is not high passed--it will run out of steam earlier. But the 110 is adding low end volume so it's close. There is a -3db pad switch on the high pass portion of the 110 sub xover. That's because the 45/110 functions the flattest with the 45 padded down 3db. For a bit mid forward sound---don't pad it.

The other way you could run the 45 and 110 sub parallel is if your amp has two parallel Speakon jacks.

Make sense?

Makes sense. I found the language in the site description (or perhaps just the term "crossover port") confusing. Also hadn't realized that the 110 is always low-passed, though that makes sense now, too. Thanks for taking the time to clarify it for me.

I'll play the 26 with the 110 sub tomorrow before I ship it. I'll see how it sounds with the 3db pad---should be pretty close.

Cool!

 

[kesslari]

Steve is working on a crossover re-do so that the 110 sub can be used as the bottom of a 110 or 210 Flex--but also function with the 45 or 26. Should be done this week--I have a 210 Flex Modular to get out!

 

[DirtPoorRobins]

Live sound question: what size room (room capacity) could a pair of 45s cover as PA tops? Rock band setting.

 

[lelandcrooks]

200-300 with subwoofer support, indoors. 100-105db. Without subs running full range I'd guesstimate at 100. I've covered a high school gym with 4 GC25's and a single RachE15. The demands of PA are different than bass guitar. Bass guitar gives the speakers a few milliseconds to breathe between notes, allowing them to be driven hard at low frequencies. That fraction of a second allows v/c cooling. But in terms of impact it's probably more load than a PA. PA is continuous, so you have to watch power levels. Mike and I have had many discussions about the different requirements of the two. There are things my cabs do that his don't, and vice versa. Having said that though, they can all multitask to a great degree if you know what you're doing.

 

[greenrositti]

Mike-What are the physical dims of the 2x6? This might pair nicely with the 110 sub, no?

 

[Mark Sacchetti]

Mike any update on the mini flex cab?

 

[John D Harris]

Mike-What are the physical dims of the 2x6? This might pair nicely with the 110 sub, no?

If you run the 26 full range with a 110 Sub, you'd get some seriously ridiculous lows, with lots of low end overlap (maybe good for Reggae or EDM...?).

For a balanced system it would be a 25 (or 45) + 110 Sub (not sure if they make a 25 or if the SPL would keep up with the 110 Sub - I know they sell the 45 with the 110 Sub, so that would definitely work).

 

[coyoteboy]

I think the 26 is 8x13x25 or 26. I think im gonna get a drum acc case for it. I found a 12x14x30 from Gator that should fit the 26, WA, and pedalboard.

Instead of a 110 sub, id just add more 6s.

 

[Mike Arnopol]

Yeah
If you add a 26 and 46 you'd be halfway in between a Flex 110 and 210.

The 6's go lower. The 110's have more midbass punch.

But ---the 6's are still tighter than any reflex cab.

I'm building a 66 for myself.

 

[coyoteboy]

Hey Mike,

Shoot me a tracking # in a PM? thx.

 

[spiritbass]

Mike any update on the mini flex cab?

Here's a prototype pic from the BigE FB page:

 

[Vince Klortho]

Is the 4x8 cabinet still in the product line or due for an update?

 

[Mike Arnopol]

Oh--that mini. That's still a prototype. That'll be an ongoing project. No time table yet.

We are redoing the 48. A Preview---(subject to change)

It will be a BIG cab.The 4 eights lined up vertically with a Flex--type mid and high section. (same two mids and tweets) Likely around 23 wide by 43 tall by 15 deep. Likely around 90#. It will go louder and lower than the 210Flex. About 25% more air moved. So--big, heavy(ish) super loud and low.

The new custom 8's go really low. The 46 is -3db at around 41 hz. That's lower than almost anything I've seen. The 48 will be lower. More like the low to mid 30's. I think it would work REALLY well with uber-low tunings.

Curious to see if y'all think this would be a viable product. Pretty much an all-out assault on loud, low and uber hifi. It won't be a Flex I don't think.

The current 48 is 30 x 24 x 15. It will go as loud. The extra space will be so that the drivers can be arranged vertically and to accommodate the top section. The current one has a horn in the middle. The new one will have the crazy midrange (low to middle) punch and fidelity.

 

[tombowlus]

We are redoing the 48. A Preview---(subject to change)

It will be a BIG cab.The 4 eights lined up vertically with a Flex--type mid and high section. (same two mids and tweets) Likely around 23 wide by 43 tall by 15 deep. Likely around 90#. It will go louder and lower than the 210Flex. About 25% more air moved. So--big, heavy(ish) super loud and low.

 

[3rdcurve]

Oh--that mini. That's still a prototype. That'll be an ongoing project. No time table yet.

We are redoing the 48. A Preview---(subject to change)

It will be a BIG cab.The 4 eights lined up vertically with a Flex--type mid and high section. (same two mids and tweets) Likely around 23 wide by 43 tall by 15 deep. Likely around 90#. It will go louder and lower than the 210Flex. About 25% more air moved. So--big, heavy(ish) super loud and low.

The new custom 8's go really low. The 46 is -3db at around 41 hz. That's lower than almost anything I've seen. The 48 will be lower. More like the low to mid 30's. I think it would work REALLY well with uber-low tunings.

Curious to see if y'all think this would be a viable product. Pretty much an all-out assault on loud, low and uber hifi. It won't be a Flex I don't think.

The current 48 is 30 x 24 x 15. It will go as loud. The extra space will be so that the drivers can be arranged vertically and to accommodate the top section. The current one has a horn in the middle. The new one will have the crazy midrange (low to middle) punch and fidelity.

That sounds awesome.

 

[J.Wolf]

Um yeah.. Color me interested!

 

[spiritbass]

It will be a BIG cab.The 4 eights lined up vertically with a Flex--type mid and high section. (same two mids and tweets) Likely around 23 wide by 43 tall by 15 deep. Likely around 90#. It will go louder and lower than the 210Flex. About 25% more air moved. So--big, heavy(ish) super loud and low.

Woah. Are you guys related to Herr Frankenstein?

This is the most monsterish yet!