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Billy Sheehan

Billy is a good example of mutual respect. Billy wasn't educated formally. But he has utmost respect for those who were. He doesn't have a chip on his shoulder about it. He can work with amybody. I have met him on two occasions and he seemed like just a "good guy". Steve Vai seemed the same. Theu work well together because, although theu are both super talented, they have great respect for one another. You can tell in ALL of Billy's projects that it's not the "Look at Billy" show. It's him having fun bouncing off of what others are doing. He's having a blast playing with other great musicians. He doesn't take himself too seriously at all.

As for knowledge, it cam come from many different angles. The trick is knowing when you don't have it, when you can gain it, and having an open mind enough to accept it from any source. Billy seems to be willing to learn whatever from wherever.

He doesn't stick out his chest and say "I don't need no Berkeley education, Steve!" Imstead, he says "Dude, what did you jist play there? Show it to me!" and "Here, check this out."

He'll be the first to tell you that anyone csn do what he does.

(As an aside, I have met dozens of powerhouse bass players. Other than Stu Hamm and Dave LaRue, they have all been super nice, willing to talk, willing to help, and generally seemed like kind individuals.)

To bring this all back to the OP, practice, study (formally or otherwise), and learn from others.
Vai has freely admitted that he let his ego get in his way in the past. By the time he joined Whitesnake, he was a self-admitted a-hole. He believed the hype, and became a less than stellar human being.

He’s pulled himself above that now, using the lens that age and maturity provide a person with, and by all accounts, is now a great guy and teacher.

That each of them is so willing to give back to the music community, is to be admired.
 
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@IamGroot,
What is your point/intent of posting the other videos? To denigrate Mr. Sheehan in some backhanded way? Is this an example of being deeply rooted in music theory getting in the way of simply enjoying music?

- John
I’m confused as well.

If it’s an attempt to denigrate Sheehan, it’s a swing and a miss. The playing in their jam is superb.

As is the playing in the other videos. Pointing out that Trane has a reed problem is laughable. That’s live music...
 
I’m confused as well.

If it’s an attempt to denigrate Sheehan, it’s a swing and a miss. The playing in their jam is superb.

As is the playing in the other videos. Pointing out that Trane has a reed problem is laughable. That’s live music...

I guess you didnt bother to read all the threads or watch the opening minutes of the clip. Did you notice he played a few notes, adjusted the mothpiece and then went off camera. He had a bad reed. Happens to everyone. I guess you didnt pick up on it.
 
I guess you didnt bother to read all the threads or watch the opening minutes of the clip. Did you notice he played a few notes, adjusted the mothpiece and then went off camera. He had a bad reed. Happens to everyone. I guess you didnt pick up on it.
No, I didn’t.

The unexpected is what I enjoy about live music. That ‘Trane would have that kind of stuff happen to him is nice to see. That it was never edited out, is even better.
 
Or did you not bother to read my post.
Yes, I had read your post. It just seemed like a veiled attempt to say that because Sheehan isn't steeped in music theory, he played something that you said didn't work. And then posting videos unrelated to Sheehan (yes, same song, I get that) as ways of saying, this is how it's done. That's just how I took it.

- John
 
I had the privilege of attending Billy Sheehan's talk during Bass Player Live 2010. He talked about his bass, his equipment, how he does almost all his bass setup work (including fret leveling, etc.), and how he developed his playing techniques (referenced above about filling out a three piece and covering other parts of songs). Seemed like a really humble, nice, genuine guy.

A funny from the talk... During almost the entire talk there was a terrible hiss emanating from his rig. Maybe 5 mins before his talk was over, he finally noticed it, stepped back to his rig, turned one knob (adjusted the noise gate), and the hiss stopped. I think there was a collective, unspoken sigh of relief from the crowd because it had been rather irritating. Apparently, he couldn't hear it.

- John
 
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My Favorite Things is a jazz standard. Why don't you post the video over on the DB side and see what they think?

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Billy Sheehan (EB) Playing a Jazz Standard
 
You don't have to know theory or learn music, but it does help. Billy shows that you don't need either, but he got to where he is by practicing hour upon hour for years. All those years with Talas, UFO, David Lee Roth et al resulted in him learning by osmosis. Plus, perhaps if he'd stuck to The Big Book Of Sticking To Root Notes (tm) then maybe he wouldn't have been as interested in all the shredding techniques he ported over from guitarists. Like other things in the world of bass you end up staring down the barrel of dogma, ultimately. One party considers the other to be soulless robots following sheet music, with very limited scope for creativity. The other party views the former as underqualified slackers.

There isn't a right answer here. If you want to be a session bassist who can come up with four different, yet entirely plausible and tasteful, basslines in the time it takes the songwriter to tell you the chord progressions once then go heavy on the theory and learning how to read. I think it is fair to say that when you invite Billy Sheehan to record on your tracks then you will get that playing and that tone.
don't tell jeff berlin that LOL
 
Disclaimer: Well this got kind of messy and slightly repetitious and my conclusion kind of differ a little from some of the stuff I claim earlier in the post, but it's kind of late here and I am tired. Hope you'll get the point though.

It doesn't really surprise me one bit.

You don't learn about music by reading a music theory book, music needs to be experienced to be able to understand it.

Music came first then theory was build on the experiences from playing.

They didn't come up with music theory first and then went on with how to apply it to an instrument, they figured out what worked by playing, and then applied theory to find out why it worked and developed a whole system they then could use to communicate ideas on paper and be able to intellectually explain what actually happens.

You know theoretically, and I am sure there are in fact players like that, you can have perfect pitch and be so much at home on your bass's fretboard from playing that you could play just about anything without even knowing the names of the notes.

I am not saying you shouldn't learn theory, it's a great and very practical tool, especially when needing to communicate your ideas to other musicians, but actual experience by playing comes before reading about it in a book in my opinion.

To come with an example by Victor Wooten, he compares it to learning language.

When you first learn how to speak you do it by spectating and listening to others do it and then mimic them until you learn how to do it properly, you basically learn by jamming with others participating in conversation, even if your first attempts will be kind of primitive.

Even with grammar you will already know most of it by experience by the time they teach it to you in school.

As I said theory is a great supportive tool to lean against when in doubt, when you are learning something new, or having to communicate a musical idea to another musician, but for me it shouldn't be the primary objective when learning how to play an instrument.

Playing is primary objective, theory is secondary.

When that is said it will kind of depend on the individual and how they happen to learn best though, some prefer to learn by doing with a more intuitive approach to the leaning process, and some are more comfortable with understanding something intellectually first before they actually attempt to apply what they have learned to real life.

Not everyone is wired the same way, some will be best off primarily learning by doing and some will be better off initially learning theory.

For me personally learning theory first just seems kind of backwards.

A bit like mapping out the route before you have decided where to go or something like that.

40Hz explains much better than I do exactly what theory is good for: Billy Sheehan

Billy's a monster. He can fill any bar in any time.
Here he's boldly supporting a talented guitarist on one of my favourites.



Not a finger to put on his actual play, perhaps except maybe for not baking off sometimes, 2 people shredding at the same time constantly on top of each other get's a little tedious to listen to in the long run, and damn the tone of his bass is highly inappropriate and straight out annoying in that context.
 
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