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Boss GT-10B
- Thread starter BassBus
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anyonefortennis said:
I think they are great, because you can tweek them a lot. They are emulations of well known fx, and i like the sound they generate.. some distortions sound a little digital, but with the right amount of EQ you can overcome this.. and the synth is not fantastic, but overall effects are indeed very good
Ok here they are 4 Ampeg Files
1. Ampeg SVT Dry but cntl 1 will set OD and cntl 2 will set a flange
2. Ampeg SVT With Compression and EQ scoop for slap playing with a bite. Can add delay and chorus with cntrl
3. Ampeg SVT Dirty OD with Flange
4. Ampeg Fretless with hard attack. A little Jaco if you will. can add delay and EQ scoop to smooth out attack by cntrl
Please note. These are set up for live rig and 4 cable settings. If you get a little noise when going to head only turn down the send a little and should fix. Tuner is activated by Exp pedal all the way up. Sub out are set as left wet and right Dry DI. No cabinet is set since it is designed for live head and cabinet.
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1. Ampeg SVT Dry but cntl 1 will set OD and cntl 2 will set a flange
2. Ampeg SVT With Compression and EQ scoop for slap playing with a bite. Can add delay and chorus with cntrl
3. Ampeg SVT Dirty OD with Flange
4. Ampeg Fretless with hard attack. A little Jaco if you will. can add delay and EQ scoop to smooth out attack by cntrl
Please note. These are set up for live rig and 4 cable settings. If you get a little noise when going to head only turn down the send a little and should fix. Tuner is activated by Exp pedal all the way up. Sub out are set as left wet and right Dry DI. No cabinet is set since it is designed for live head and cabinet.
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I own a Tech 21 VT pedal, and I tried to create something that comes close to it in the GT-10B, but as close as I thought I got, (listening throuigh headphones) as soon as I used it in a band setting the GT-10B doesn't really remotely come anywhere near the VT pedal.
Same thing goes for the Octavers and the Compressors in the GT-10b.
Same thing goes for the Octavers and the Compressors in the GT-10b.
Cool stuff here Jeffrey. I think the best tone is the first one. Thank you for sharing. You use this live, with the 4 cable method, and which cab do you use? And that difference can you notice between the sound in FOH and that one that is getting out from you amp?
Yes I do use live with 4 cable only. It is set up for that. I will upload that those patches for general use soon. I did bring the drive down to ablout a quarter and it took out some distortion problems that I had in the low end.
Anyone have a good bootsy collins bass synth patch. The bass synth on this seems a little weak but if someone has tweaked it a little I would like to know.
I've been thinking about this a bit more and have to say that I'm concerned and a bit pi$$ed off. One of the things I like best about this unit is the ability to go straight to Front of House without an amp and if a shot of Phantom Power will toast my GT, I'd call that a major design flaw.
Does anyone know what kind of damage would actually be done? Did the Roland guys elaborate at all, Gastric?
No, they did not, other than to tell me not to apply phantom power.
DI needs to specifically use a transformer to protect against 48V phantom power. That's why the "good" DI boxes state that quality of their gear. Any type of non-transformer based DI apparently has the possibility of frying the electronics.
In theory your FOH guy wouldn't apply phantom. And I'm sure there's tons of people using these with the DI right to FOH without problems. But some gear applies phantom to banks of inputs, like my M-Audio 2626 firewire interface which applies phantom to half the inputs at a time. It would be easy to ACCIDENTALLY apply phantom.
It apparently isn't that expensive to protect from phantom power as you can buy the EWI 4-DI rack unit for $75. That's only $18.75 per channel retail price, manufacturing cost would probably be much less considering the GT-10B already includes everything else (chassis, connectors, etc.)
I'm sure some clever electronics guy could figure out how to add phantom protection to the GT-10B.
Note that I'm not aware if any other similar products, like Line6 X3 LIVE or HD500, etc. provide phantom protection on their XLR outputs, either. It's likely NOT common.
DI needs to specifically use a transformer to protect against 48V phantom power. That's why the "good" DI boxes state that quality of their gear. Any type of non-transformer based DI apparently has the possibility of frying the electronics.
In theory your FOH guy wouldn't apply phantom. And I'm sure there's tons of people using these with the DI right to FOH without problems. But some gear applies phantom to banks of inputs, like my M-Audio 2626 firewire interface which applies phantom to half the inputs at a time. It would be easy to ACCIDENTALLY apply phantom.
It apparently isn't that expensive to protect from phantom power as you can buy the EWI 4-DI rack unit for $75. That's only $18.75 per channel retail price, manufacturing cost would probably be much less considering the GT-10B already includes everything else (chassis, connectors, etc.)
I'm sure some clever electronics guy could figure out how to add phantom protection to the GT-10B.
Note that I'm not aware if any other similar products, like Line6 X3 LIVE or HD500, etc. provide phantom protection on their XLR outputs, either. It's likely NOT common.
Thanks for the extra info. Your analysis certainly leads one to wonder why there wouldn't be a transformer included in something marketed as a piece of "pro" gear, especially given the relatively low additional cost. So, in reality, this means that a GT10B owner needs to buy an additional DI box in order to use this thing with some peace of mind for direct to PA applications.
I suppose one could argue that any professional sound person would know better than to apply phantom power to my channel but, as you stated, accidents can happen and I'd hate to lose an expensive piece of gear as a result. Also, the sound isn't always being run by a pro....
I'm now thinking about the risks of sending the DI signal from my amp to FOH. I wonder how many amps are transformer protected. I'd best do a bit more reading.
I suppose one could argue that any professional sound person would know better than to apply phantom power to my channel but, as you stated, accidents can happen and I'd hate to lose an expensive piece of gear as a result. Also, the sound isn't always being run by a pro....
I'm now thinking about the risks of sending the DI signal from my amp to FOH. I wonder how many amps are transformer protected. I'd best do a bit more reading.
I certainly don't pretend to be an expert. Nor do I even currently play out. In the past I ran my GT-10B to my Mesa bass rig. My current project which is much more electronic I'd likely use no amp and run straight to FOH. That concern, plus the fact my recording interface applies phantom in banks, is why I asked them in the first place.
I've never seen any reports of people frying their floorboards with phantom. So maybe it's not even a real problem and it's just what their support agents have to say to cover themselves.
I did ask M-Audio if my Profire had phantom protection on it's 8 balanced 1/4" outputs and they said it did. Again, just in case I happened to be using that live and was feeding FOH outputs. But I doubt there's 8 transformers in there.
I've never seen any reports of people frying their floorboards with phantom. So maybe it's not even a real problem and it's just what their support agents have to say to cover themselves.
I did ask M-Audio if my Profire had phantom protection on it's 8 balanced 1/4" outputs and they said it did. Again, just in case I happened to be using that live and was feeding FOH outputs. But I doubt there's 8 transformers in there.
I just started a new thread about the phantom power to DI topic. http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/can-my-amp-damaged-phantom-power-di-766758/#post10835938
Recently I used mine as a DI direct to the board in a studio situation. It sounded fine the first day, but on the second day when I came back in, there was an unexplainable hiss in my DI signal. It doesn't occur in the 1/4" outputs, so I've been able to continue gigging with it normally. But, now that I've read this, I wonder if I may have unwittingly caused some damage to my unit with phantom power in the studio.
And, how the heck would I have known not to just plug the sucker in and use it?
+1. IMO, the synth is OK in its very limited voicing. What it does sounds OK, but it doesn't do much. No long, wacky Tom Sawyer sweeps, for sure.
I've had the unit for a few weeks now and am very happy with it. I use it for a little color in some songs and mainly for the preamp/comp/eq when recording. While I read in the thread that the synth sounds are not great I seem to be having a different problem with this function. If I have the synth effect on I can strike the strings and get no sound at all and then when it randomly does a very loud burst of syth noise will come out. I have not used any other synth pedals so I am wondering if I am doing something wrong or if there is something wrong with the unit. This applies to all of the preset synth patches as well as any of the synth sounds you would get using EZ tone, etc. I use a passive P bass if that helps. Not sure if I explained the problem well but hopefully someone knows what I am getting at.
On a side note I also am experiencing problems when connected to headphones. Another feature I do not intend to use much. When connected to headphones I get the signal in the left ear only and it is muted. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks in advance for any replies!
On a side note I also am experiencing problems when connected to headphones. Another feature I do not intend to use much. When connected to headphones I get the signal in the left ear only and it is muted. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks in advance for any replies!
The Synth effect is Monophonic, so you can only use one note at a time, to have a synth which tracks all strings, you will need a Roland GR-55 synth and a hexaphonic GK-3B pickup.
There are other monophnic effects in the GT-10B too, like the Harmonist and pitch shifter.
I have the same problem with the headphones sometimes, i use a 6.5mm to 3.5mm adapter and only one channel works if the plug is not fully in. The problem will be the phones.
jledouxart said:
Have you checked your input volume? I found that using the synth with a lower input makes it act funny, doing things like you described
