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Boss GT-10B

#621
I know that gastric. And you patches have a special place in my heart. But i'm falling in love with an Ampeg SVT Classic.. And i want to try every single patch that is ampeg based!

i know i have the B-15 and SVT preamp. And i am going deeper and deeper on my GT-10B.

this machine is amazing. But i have a question. How does the simulators behave in live settings? For example, if i choose the STV with a 8x10 simulator, how does it sound over the PA?

sorry for my english.. it's not my mother tongue
 
#622
My Ampeg SVT and B15 Patch with 810 cabinet sounds very close to the real thing through a PA and recording. You really have to tweak Amp Sims as the gain through the 810 starts to get touchy and distorted unlike the real rig. Great sound though. Ill post Ampeg stuff soon. Still prefer using SVT Pro 4 live instead of simulation though.
BTW: You need a real quality PA to and monitor to handle the bass tone alone without a cabinet, otherwise you loose alot of the punchyness and the bass just sounds flat. Not GT10B fault but cheap PA fault.
 
#624
JeffreyW said:
My Ampeg SVT and B15 Patch with 810 cabinet sounds very close to the real thing through a PA and recording. You really have to tweak Amp Sims as the gain through the 810 starts to get touchy and distorted unlike the real rig. Great sound though. Ill post Ampeg stuff soon. Still prefer using SVT Pro 4 live instead of simulation though.
BTW: You need a real quality PA to and monitor to handle the bass tone alone without a cabinet, otherwise you loose alot of the punchyness and the bass just sounds flat. Not GT10B fault but cheap PA fault.
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How do you use this live?
 
#627
This will answer two questions:
Using as a preamp? Yes
If you have a head that has a effects loop and you use the 4 cable setup explained eariler in Gumtowns post you are essentially using the GT10B Preamp and bypassing the preamp circut of your head when effects loop is activated. Works like a champ. When effects loop is deactivated you use your heads preamp with out the GT10B. Here is the trick.
The Send/ Recieve setting on the GT10B must be turned on and I set it to branch. This allows you to swith between the two (Head and GT10B preamp) with your effects loop swith to your head. I set the S/R on the GT10B on branch because it seems like it seperates the two completely. Now
With Effects loop disengaged on your head:
If you put the SR in the front of everything (at the begining of the stompboxes in the GT10B editor) you will have a veirtual by pass to your head. If you place effects in front of the S/R in the GT10B editor its like pugging stomp boxes in before you go to you heads input.

Note: You will need to activate the S/R on all of the patches you intend to use this way and place it where you want it in the editor program. Please remember to set it to branch to elliminate doubling.

Next my suggestion is to set up you A/B in the GT10B editor to L/R and make sure B chanell is uncolored (No effects, no preamps ect...) This will give you a DI for the sound guy. If you set you sub level output to L/R in the master system setting/ Output then you can plug a XLR to right and left and one will be wet and one will be DI. Really cool live and sound guys love you.

With this set up I mic my cabinet and use the GT10B sub out as my DI because when I switch to just my head by deactivating the effects loop I loose my sound in the GT10B. I like it this way though because I have complete control over my sound. I think you can set it up to combine sounds with Effects loop deactivated but That is too confusing for me live.
 
#628
Using just the GT10B Sub outs into a sound board with inear monitor system. Works great. I set up patches to in the GT10B editor with the AB chanells as LR and uncolor the right channel. I use the uncolored channel as my DI. Sounds great. Most pro sound guys and bigger sound stages want a DI in addition to your trademark sound. This is why I do this. With inear monitors you can mix it anyway you want it with out effecting your out front sound. Good luck. Takes some playing with. I have a sound board to tweak my setup and has come in handy. You can by a cheapo 4 channel board from music stores for about 50 bucks or so and use that to figure out your sound. Well worth the money and you can use it for many other things such as practicing ect....
 
#629
Another thing to consider for live work:

Lots of guys will use their amp and cab as their monitor, so it can be helpful to use a bass rig that is, or sounds like, a PA. An example would be a keyboard rig, or a fEARful cab with a PA head (using the Boss as the preamp) or a powered monitor. That way, you can send a wet signal to the PA that will sound very much like what you're hearing in your monitor. This is especially good if your live sound uses lots of effects or amp modelling, as you want that sound to be in the PA.
 
#630
dug dog: that's the approach i'm looking at.
i would be running GT-10B -> desk -> In Ear Monitors (+ pa poweramp and cab for louder gigs)
i guess my question is this:
does the preamp+cab modelling in the boss GT-10B cut the mustard?
considering i REALLY hated the bass pod models
(i don't expect it to be AXE-FX quality, a similar STANDARD to something like the VT for LOW GAIN would be acceptable, i hear the models don't handle high gain so well)
 
#637
I think the emulation on the GT-10B it's quite true to the original. I know that the VT bass pedal form tech 21 has a lot of praise here at TB, but the GT-10B can do the SVT sound quite well. You have a lot of options to tweak. That is the true power of the Boss multiFx.

I never used mine in a "live" situation. I started to play in a new band a few months ago, but we are in that phase of rehearsing the song before recording the EP. I use the GT-10B after the Sadowsky preamp paired with my Jazz MIA. But i think when the gig season arrive i will use it as a true preamp. Sending to the PA the two channels. One wet and the other dry. And in the stage just use de 4 cable method so i can use my combo as a power amp.

My dream is to have a real SVT classic with a 8x10 cab. I don´t ask much more than this.

For now the GT-10B will be my main rig. Paired with the preamp just after the bass and the Ashdown MAG C115-300 combo.

But i have a question: Should i disable the cab emulation?? in recording i can choose, but playing in the live setting with my MAG 1x15.. humm.. please help me.

:)
 
#638
I agree, the Ampeg sim is totally usable IMO. I haven't used the GT-10B as a preamp or DI live, only as an effects unit in front of my Mesa amp. But in my latest project I plan to go totally ampless and run direct. I find a bunch of the other amp sims to be totally usable as well. The Super Flat gives a fairly neutral tone with a bass boost, good for using with synths or a more hi-fi bass tone if that's your thing.

Note that the GT-10B doesn't include any phantom protection, so even though it's a XLR DI connection you shouldn't ever apply phantom, or so Roland support told me. So there may still be merit using a transformer based DI to send to FOH.
 

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