Brett Favre Retires

[basstotheface]

I did say "at least 15" not just "15".

I agree on Hasselback, Sanchez...maybe...he has potential.

I agree about all 4 of the rookies as well, they'll all make better NFL QB's than Tebow. I was actually hoping the Saints would pick Pike up....

I don't even think Sanchez is a really good QB, just better than Tebow. Pike would've been a good fit in NOLA, with the tutoring and guidance of Brees he could've been really great. Too bad he and Clausen have no real veteran at QB in Carolina.

 

[macaroni tony]

The rest, in no particular order (not necessary to rank 'em, they're all above Tebow):

McNabb
Kolb
Schaub
Cassel
Rivers
Romo (I gagged a bit there)
Cutler
Palmer
Flacco
Ryan
E. Manning
Rogers (it'd be more fair for me to remove him, he's almost equal with the three I pulled)
Roethlisberger (yeah, he's a POS as a person, but he's a better QB than Tebow will ever be)
Henne
Orton

I can keep going....

Campbell?

 

[Gard]

Campbell?

...again, I said AT LEAST 15....



Yes, Campbell. If he can get a decent o-line and some receivers, he should be above average, IMO.

 

[macaroni tony]

I like Tebow...He hasn't done anything to show that he would be a good NFL qb, but if anybody could make that kind of transition, it would be him. He has everything else you want in a qb - leadership, teamwork, HARD work (he was waking up his trainers during the combine to work out) and standing up for his guys.

Seems like a good kid...I wouldn't mind seeing him succeed

 

[Eric Perry]

I like Tebow...He hasn't done anything to show that he would be a good NFL qb, but if anybody could make that kind of transition, it would be him. He has everything else you want in a qb - leadership, teamwork, HARD work (he was waking up his trainers during the combine to work out) and standing up for his guys.

Seems like a good kid...I wouldn't mind seeing him succeed

I would agree.

 

[Pilgrim]

I can name at least 15 guys I'd choose over Timmy, and I'll spot you the top 3 out the gate (Brees, Brady, P. Manning).

I simply disagree. You have belittled (Timmy) and bashed Favre unrelentingly for years, and I expected this response. But IMO he's one of the top 10 QB's in the NFL when he sets foot on the field...and disliking him doesn't make him a worse QB.

Sporting News placed him in the top 5 if he plays this year. This set of power rankings has him at #5: http://dallascowboystimes.com/2010/03/2010-nfl-starting-quarterback-power-rankings/

Granted, there are some better..and I'll include Manning and Brees among them. I'm on the fence about Brady - I'm not sure he isn't on the downhill.

But this is my opinion - and IMO Favre is easily in the top 10.

IMO, his peers:

Manning - Indy
Brees - N.O.
Rivers - Chargers
E. Manning - Giants
Romo - Dallas
Rodgers - Green Bay

On the bubble: Tom Brady. Show me, dude. I'm not convinced that New England isn't sliding.

Here are some who clearly are not his equal or who are unproven:

Smith - 49ers
Leinert - Cardinals (Show it to us this year)
Kolb - Eagles (Unproven)
Brohm - Buffalo
Delhomme - Cleveland
Freeman - Bucs (potential, but too young)
Orton - Denver
Campbell - Oakland
Moore - Panthers
Cassell - KC
Stafford - Lions (potential, but needs time)
Sanchez (close to the top 10, but not yet)
Cutler - Chicago. (Show me. Just show me. Great arm, but unproven brain.)
Young - Tennessee (shoe me you're not a fluke, dude)
Palmer - Cincy
Ryan - Atlanta (Maybe this year, maybe not.)

That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it.

 

[Bipslapper]

On the bubble: Tom Brady. Show me, dude. I'm not convinced that New England isn't sliding.

New England may; actually, has slid down a few notches - I agree to that, but Brady is still one of the best. On the "downhill"- well, coming off the same surgery that Carson Palmer did a year and a half ago, we will still wait and see how he rebounds, as we do with Palmer. Brady still has the cache' and the brain.

Please!

Edit- just read you mention Delhome for Cleveland as an equal or unproven, wow. He has proven one thing- Bonehead!

Jake is a whining baby who should stick to holding the clipboard. Matt Ryan will be successful in the league- once again like Brady and Manning and Brees- IQ goes a long way.

 

[jp58]

I simply disagree. You have belittled (Timmy) and bashed Favre unrelentingly for years...

I agree with you on Brett. Turnovers or not, he has been a top-5,10,15 QB for almost 2 decades, no one else in football has ever done that.

Tebox does not and won't ever fit in a NFL offensive system and the game won't "revolutionize" around him.

There are several reasons the game-plan he fits into can't work in the NFL.

1. The Tampa 2 defense. That's right, zone defense. Tebow has never had to read a zone defense before because it is almost impossible to play against the Gators, unless you're using it to counter the option, and then its really not a zone, but more of a lane/gap coverage.

2. The option won't work as the base of an offense in the NFL. DE's, OLB's, and Safeties are way faster in the NFL than their average college counter-part. This strings the option out and makes you use up all the field and/or your handoff and toss. NFL DE's can often enough catch the play from the backside where they will be unblocked and Safeties and OLB's are too physically gifted to be unblocked on a running play.

3. This is the NFL, where players are used in a system, not where an offensive co. draws plays around his top 3 players.

 

[Pilgrim]

Tebox does not and won't ever fit in a NFL offensive system and the game won't "revolutionize" around him.

As it happens, I live 60 miles north of Denver and I'm enjoying watching the circus around Tebow. I gotta give the guy this - the media record it every time he blows his nose, and he has been consistently modest, positive and hard-working. If nothing else, he is doing it right and making a solid effort. His behavior so far has been a model for high-visibility players.

Unless his break-in period really flames out for some unforeseen reason or he gets hurt, I agree with the Denver media that he'll be the Bronco's starting QB no later than next season. They're not paying the guy to gather splinters. Personally, I think it helps NFL QBs to stay on the bench for at least one season; I've seen too many high draft pick QBs ruined by playing too early for bad teams, and getting trounced.

 

[MJ5150]

2. The option won't work as the base of an offense in the NFL.

You keep coming back and explaining to us how the option will not work in the NFL. Do you think UF ran the option the last four years Tebow was there?

-Mike

 

[Thunderscreech]

Brett Farve's Retirement will be like Duke Nukem Forver: he never will, and even in the end, the game still wont come out.

 

[jp58]

You keep coming back and explaining to us how the option will not work in the NFL. Do you think UF ran the option the last four years Tebow was there?

-Mike

It was a spread veer option, QB Read/triple option, or WR flood almost every single play. I can draw it out for you if you would like. I know it isn't the old "Navy" formation, but it operates on the same principles, just like West Virginia's offense. Spread the field out, have more guys on one side of it than your opponent, and then run/throw the ball to that side and keep your options open.

Edit: I found where someone else has drawn it out. http://www.scribd.com/doc/6204328/Urban-Meyer-Florida-Offense

He was responsible for 5000 of the 6500 yards Florida had. Their whole play-book revolved around him. That will not happen in the NFL.

I have nothing against Tebow, as a matter of fact, I enjoy hearing him talk. He is one of the few modest players left in football. He is a joy to see on tv and a great role model, but he is NOT an NFL caliber QB.

 

[Pilgrim]

He was responsible for 5000 of the 6500 yards Florida had. Their whole play-book revolved around him. That will not happen in the NFL.

I have nothing against Tebow, as a matter of fact, I enjoy hearing him talk. He is one of the few modest players left in football. He is a joy to see on tv and a great role model, but he is NOT an NFL caliber QB.

I agree with your first point - he's never going to be the primary runner. However, Denver may very well use him in some wildcat formations this year.

I think it's quite premature to say he's not an NFL caliber QB. At this point, we can say that he's unproven and his style of play will have to change radically to succeed in the NFL, but there is absolutely no evidence that he's not an NFL caliber QB because he has never taken a snap in the pros.

 

[MJ5150]

I can draw it out for you if you would like.
....he is NOT an NFL caliber QB.

Not necessary. I've played organized football for most of my life. But thanks though.

I think he'll be just fine in the NFL, so we'll see how it plays out.

Considering how sure you are of your assessment, I'm curious as to why you think Denver drafted him. It's a serious question. I am not trying to antagonize you since you're a Vol.

-Mike

 

[jp58]

Not necessary. I've played organized football for most of my life. But thanks though.

I think he'll be just fine in the NFL, so we'll see how it plays out.

Considering how sure you are of your assessment, I'm curious as to why you think Denver drafted him. It's a serious question. I am not trying to antagonize you since you're a Vol.

-Mike

Why trade for Quinn if you're so sure of Tebow and Orton?

I have the feeling that he will be used sporadically in "Wild Bronco" type formations, or 2nd or 3rd and short situations, as those were by-far his most successful situations in Florida.

I'm more sure of my assessment because of my experience running the option when I was playing and coaching football, and because I enjoy watching Navy and Georgia Tech play with the Flex formation. I love the option, and in saying such, I know its flaws.

I know I'm not an NFL executive, nor am I a professional ESPN analyst, but I take pride in being able to knowledgeably break down a football game. It is my "un" expert opinion that he doesn't have NFL caliber tools. As much as I want for a guy with his personality to succeed.

If he can make the strides needed to succeed, it will be very hard not to root for him, UF and all.

 

[Pilgrim]

That's a valid question about Quinn. Plenty of people in our area around Denver have asked it. Part of the answer is - did they know they were going to draft Tebow? It doesn't seem to make sense to bring in both. However, Quinn came first - so you could also ask if they didn't bring him in as a safety valve for Orton, then take Tebow expecting him to develop into a better option than either one.

Of course, more than a few of us wonder if Josh McDaniel knows what he's doing as head coach. I'm personally not a fan of the guy, and think he has made some highly questionable (verging on stupid) moves just to show that he's the boss. I have my doubts about the guy as head coaching material.

 

[jp58]

That's a valid question about Quinn. Plenty of people in our area around Denver have asked it. Part of the answer is - did they know they were going to draft Tebow? It doesn't seem to make sense to bring in both. However, Quinn came first - so you could also ask if they didn't bring him in as a safety valve for Orton, then take Tebow expecting him to develop into a better option than either one.

Of course, more than a few of us wonder if Josh McDaniel knows what he's doing as head coach. I'm personally not a fan of the guy, and think he has made some highly questionable (verging on stupid) moves just to show that he's the boss. I have my doubts about the guy as head coaching material.

From the little video that's surfaced of training camp thus far, both Quinn and Tebow are outplaying Orton at QB, but of course this is without a RB even on the field and in non contact drills.

They showed the 2 minute drill today and Orton threw 2 picks while the camera was on and only got the team into a scoring position once. Quinn and Tebow both put up points on their first drives and as far as I could tell, neither played bad.

I have the feeling that McDaniel wanted either Tebow or Quinn and the other was an executive decision, but then again, I wasn't there when either call was made.

 

[sloasdaylight]

Frankly, and this isn't just because I'm a Gator fan but, I think that given a year or so to improve his throwing motion, his ability to read complex defenses, and his work ethic and drive, which cannot be denied by anyone with an objective view point, Tebow will make a capable QB in the NFL. He may not ever rise to be a Favre, Brady, Manning, or Brees level quarterback, but I think he'll be able to run an offense more than competently.

 

[macaroni tony]

Frankly, and this isn't just because I'm a Gator fan but, I think that given a year or so to improve his throwing motion, his ability to read complex defenses, and his work ethic and drive, which cannot be denied by anyone with an objective view point, Tebow will make a capable QB in the NFL. He may not ever rise to be a Favre, Brady, Manning, or Brees level quarterback, but I think he'll be able to run an offense more than competently.

You tryin' to get a Gard rant-fest goin on in here, boi?

 

[Gard]

You tryin' to get a Gard rant-fest goin on in here, boi?

Eh...

...FAR-VUH is a great QB, never denied his ability as a player. I question his decision making (he ended his career with three different teams with INT's, and if he does decide to retire this year, he'll make his last pass with FOUR teams INT's), and can speak from direct personal experience to his lack of decency as a PERSON. He'll make it into the HOF on the first ballot he is eligible, and he'll deserve it. Same about Ty Cobb - not a decent person, but great baseball player, so in he went.

As for Tebow, my patience with his "type" is thin (I won't get into detail, as it will violate TB rules), but he does seem at least mostly genuine and hardworking. He still isn't going to be a quality NFL QB, no matter what the UF fanboi contingent thinks. He has the WRONG skill set for the gig. Not saying he won't be successful, just he won't be a top-level QB in professional American football.