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Broughton Audio Super Thread

#55,163
revd said:
So, SVD...

A little talk here and there about how it could be perceived as tricky to dial in. How so?

Three sound sources and each with an LPF? That would be simpler than a super simple real synth. The synth in my pic has got 30_ knobs, tens of buttons and a manus, and it's still not that tricky to progam.
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Well, the two angles I have heard are that A) it is too loud/boomy or that B) the tone is tricky to dial in because the filters let you take the hair off the unfiltered signal, but they obviously are only modulated by the filter knob and so you will take hair off the higher notes but leave hair on the lower notes.

As for the first problem, it seems like the solution would be to simply back the volume off a little bit. It's probably the result of the boosted input that the circuit uses to improve sustain. As far as the second, it's just an unfortunate consequence of filters that aren't modulated "by the keyboard", so to speak... And as for comparing to the original SV, it's possible that the filter(s) present inside that box for the synth tones are a little more intricate than the ones in the SVD and result in a tone that is not quite attainable in the SVD. This is entirely my speculation tho.

it's also possible that people hear "octaver" and immediately are comparing in to the square-ish OC-2 in terms of tone, which... this is not. Also speculation.
 
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#55,165
jdjk7 said:
Well, the two angles I have heard are that A) it is too loud/boomy or that B) the tone is tricky to dial in because the filters let you take the hair off the unfiltered signal, but they obviously are only modulated by the filter knob and so you will take hair off the higher notes but leave hair on the lower notes.

As for the first problem, it seems like the solution would be to simply back the volume off a little bit. It's probably the result of the boosted input that the circuit uses to improve sustain. As far as the second, it's just an unfortunate consequence of filters that aren't modulated "by the keyboard", so to speak... And as for comparing to the original SV, it's possible that the filter(s) present inside that box for the synth tones are a little more intricate than the ones in the SVD and result in a tone that is not quite attainable in the SVD. This is entirely my speculation tho.

it's also possible that people hear "octaver" and immediately are comparing in to the square-ish OC-2 in terms of tone, which... this is not. Also speculation.
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Yea, well hopefully it just involves turning each of the 6 knobs the right amount.
 
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#55,166
jdjk7 said:
Thanks for the thoughts, all. It was not exactly my pet but my gf's dog, who was old, 14 years old,and had been having intrusive health problems that were just getting worse. There was talk of putting her down soon for that reason, but she somewhat unexpectedly died on her own.
She had that dog for 12 years, I was there for the last 2. It's still rough.

Funny enough when she told me, I had called her while driving to tell her of a good new work opportunity I've worked out. Life really is strange. Of course I call with this happy news which makes her wanna skirt her bad news, but I'm just like "hit me with it anyway" not sure what to expect. Had to pull over and cry it out for a minute before returning to her place to help her out.

Wait... why did this turn into a therapy session?
I swear it's just crushed dreams bro
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So sorry for the pet loss and life weirdness. Bit off topic, but this is the brotone thread so all's fair?

That post is the exact reason I won't get a dog. I am under immense pressure from my family to bring in a dog. They are all correct in that if we get one I will be the one to love it the most...and that's why I won't do it. I get life and death but to bring in a family member that at best will live 15 years is just too heartbreaking for me to consider.

A good friend of mine lost a 5 yr old child a few years ago and everyone (except him) says how losing a pet is like losing a kid....I just don't understand how people can go into it knowing that will 100% happen in the near future.
 
#55,168
cosmicevan said:
So sorry for the pet loss and life weirdness. Bit off topic, but this is the brotone thread so all's fair?

That post is the exact reason I won't get a dog. I am under immense pressure from my family to bring in a dog. They are all correct in that if we get one I will be the one to love it the most...and that's why I won't do it. I get life and death but to bring in a family member that at best will live 15 years is just too heartbreaking for me to consider.

A good friend of mine lost a 5 yr old child a few years ago and everyone (except him) says how losing a pet is like losing a kid....I just don't understand how people can go into it knowing that will 100% happen in the near future.
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Believe me, you aren't the only one asking that question. We were talking about it yesterday.

I don't know. It could be shortsightedness, or it could be an implicit assessment that the experience of owning a dog (or other pet) is worth the price of admission. Death is an occupational hazard of life anyway.

I guess there's a perspective you could look at it from: the dog will live and die anyway. You can simply choose to make yourself a part of its life, and itself a part of yours. You might find that the grief of loss will pass while you'll get to keep the good parts for much, much longer.

As far as whether losing a dog is like losing a kid, I think that really just depends on how close you actually feel to your dog. Not how close you think you are, but, in reality, your internal and subconscious experience that you can't really control but are instead sorta operating under. I feel like some people just have more closeness and attachment to their pets than others, and thus get hit a lot harder when they die. I've watched the experience of child death secondhand and I can say that for most people, no, losing a pet is not like losing a kid. But... for some people, it might really just be close to that bad.

And yet there's a lot of people who have had a pet and not a kid... or have had a pet instead of a kid. And they just don't really have anything else to compare it to.

I guess another strategy to this is to own a pet that will die after you. Turtles live a hella long time. Macaws, even for birds, can live 60-80 years. Just a thought...
 
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saltydude said:
Don’t worry a bit about the SVD. You’ll all get great results from that fantastic pedal. It just takes a little more patience and listening than the SV. It’s more sensitive to signal path changes ive found and less set and forget than the SV.
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I'm not worried, or else I wouldn't have bought it. I feel like that's a pretty reasonable way to be, but perhaps others are different... lol
 
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#55,171
jdjk7 said:
I'm not worried, or else I wouldn't have bought it. I feel like that's a pretty reasonable way to be, but perhaps others are different... lol
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Hell of a bad ass octaver for $210 too!

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Here's sort of a weird thought... have there ever been Broughton facebook groups? I've just looked and found a single Broughton fan group, but it has a whopping 1 members... I dunno. Just seems like it'd be a fun use of my damned social media.
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I liberated myself from that place awhile back. I’ll admit I miss my music and motorcycles pages and announcements though. The people and their opinions relating to politics and society I can very much do without.
 
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Not to derail this thread, but on the heels of the SVD, which until I hear it I take as more of an Octaver-plus than a Synth pedal, and I have yet to try a C4, but I now have two synth sounds I'm chasing - the Close But No Cigar sound I mimic with the SYB-3 to get a Living For the City sound, which is Moog.

And then there is what I would call an Oberheim sound, something like what Lyle Mays did in the 80s. This came up recently when I had to learn that Prince song I Want To Be Your Lover for an audition, and want to duplicate the ending sound, which I incorrectly attribute to Oberheim and not analog Moog, which I believe it actually is. That is not the best example of an Oberheim sound, however.

So, where do you recommend putting the SVD in the signal path? I saw this a few pages back, but this is typically lively thread and can be hard to find things. My OC-2 is after my Comp and before the Chorus and Synth (currently in the RV-3 location), which are before the Pres, so was thinking to slot the SVD in where the OC-2 is.

saltydude said:
Don’t worry a bit about the SVD. You’ll all get great results from that fantastic pedal. It just takes a little more patience and listening than the SV. It’s more sensitive to signal path changes ive found and less set and forget than the SV.
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Btbp said:
Not to derail this thread, but on the heels of the SVD, which until I hear it I take as more of an Octaver-plus than a Synth pedal, and I have yet to try a C4, but I now have two synth sounds I'm chasing - the Close But No Cigar sound like on Living For the City, which is Moog.

And then there is what I would call an Oberheim sound, something like what Lyle Mays did in the 80s. This came up recently when I had to learn that Prince song I Want To Be Your Lover for an audition, and want to duplicate the ending sound, which I incorrectly attribute to Oberheiem and not analog Moog, which I believe it actually is.

So, where do you recommend putting the SVD in the signal path? I saw this a few pages back, but this is typically livey thread and can be hard to find things. My OC-2 is after my Comp and before the Chorus and Synth (currently in the RV-3 location), which are before the Pres, so was thinking to slot the SVD in where the OC-2 is.


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That's really the only place I would think to put it. A case can be made for before or after compression, but there's really not much reason to put an octaver after anything else.

I would honestly try this idea of running the OC-2 into the SVD or vice versa. Not that you really have the space for it on that board... but still. OC^2
 
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Btbp said:
Not to derail this thread, but on the heels of the SVD, which until I hear it I take as more of an Octaver-plus than a Synth pedal, and I have yet to try a C4, but I now have two synth sounds I'm chasing - the Close But No Cigar sound I mimic with the SYB-3 to get a Living For the City sound, which is Moog.

And then there is what I would call an Oberheim sound, something like what Lyle Mays did in the 80s. This came up recently when I had to learn that Prince song I Want To Be Your Lover for an audition, and want to duplicate the ending sound, which I incorrectly attribute to Oberheim and not analog Moog, which I believe it actually is. That is not the best example of an Oberheim sound, however.

So, where do you recommend putting the SVD in the signal path? I saw this a few pages back, but this is typically lively thread and can be hard to find things. My OC-2 is after my Comp and before the Chorus and Synth (currently in the RV-3 location), which are before the Pres, so was thinking to slot the SVD in where the OC-2 is.


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I almost always put Octave (or any “tracking” effects really) very early on in the chain.

Either first, or just after a compressor or a light drive pedal that likes to be up at the very front.

If you aren’t looking for the best tracking, and want the octave to glitch and freak out more, which admittedly can be really cool, then further on in the chain after other pedals is an option.

Otherwise the spot in your signal chain that will give it the cleanest and most consist signal is typically the way to go.
 
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#55,180
NKBassman said:
That’s the gist of it, yeah.
The hardest part for me is dialing in the right balance of all three voices to get the tone I want, but also keeping the overall output at or near unity volume.
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Makes sense. You seen Zachary's SV video? He goes for some nice combos of voices with clean / synth at 12 and sub at, say, 1 o clock. Dues this work as a rule of thumb for keeping a unified volume on SVD too? Maybe he's edited the vid to deal with level jumps.

Related, I don't use clean on my FMeron so if it's the same for SVD that's one less complication.
 

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