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Bugera Bass Amps???

#122
Once again, I think that's the point - to tell you nothing. I'm originally an EE, and have designed and built amps (among other things) since my teens, so I do understand power measurement, up to megawatt levels. Class D is old hat; it's been used since the 1950s, and was invented a couple of decades before that. It's only in the musical instrument field that it's so new and magical. ;)
 
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#123
I own a Bugera Veyron a very nice head indeed. They are Brother Certified by word of mouth :-) Just like the Internet everything on TB is not true just because it was on TB. And 12's still do not sound like 10's :-) They may to Fingerstyle guys but to me and I slap they do not. I slap on a M212 but it was concession I made. It works. I did later on go out and get an L610 because for me 12's do not sound like 10's :-)
 
#124
yakmastermax said:
The whole "Bugatti Veyron" - "Bugera Veyron" honestly disgusts me. I don't care how good supposed quality or value is, seeing that Behringer is content with running that sort of marketing gimmick along with power specs that blatantly disregard industry standards of measurement (possibly the number one spec used to compare amp products), I am happy to say I won't ever consider buying anything from them. It is a shame the recently acquired TC Electronic. If you do a little research on Behringer and MUSIC Group it is clear what sort of company you're dealing with. Music Group (company) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My money has no place going to that sort of large corporate acquisition monster that is obviously too far concerned with portfolios and profits rather than quality product and happy costumers. There is a reason they exists at the bottom of the quality barrel and why their products line the shelves of big stores like Guitar Center. Their profit comes from the young, the ignorant, and others who would be swayed by the whole "Bugatti Veyron" - "Bugera Veyron" scheme.

It is not pro gear, or even amateur gear. Considering how they market I'd be loath to say it is gear at all. GK says "Tools, not toys"
Behringer says "Toys, but they look like tools, don't they?"

This is my big stinkin $0.02
I've never owned or even seen any Bugera in person but all the Behringer I've dealt with is sub-par. Mics, mixers, and PAs, all barely make the cut. Combine this with their classless, tasteless, and downright questionable marketing along with the larger corporate picture, no thanks.
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so I take it you never owned a Chevy Beretta? What about a Fender Mustang?

Geez...of all things to get worked up about - this seems rather silly.
 
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Ballin'bass said:
Oh yea, you have both! Now that you've had them for a while, which one do you like more?
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With the cabs that I own and prefer using, the Mosfet does a better all-around job. Those don't have tweeters though so the more highs of the M helps me. I've got some older Genz Benz cabs that have tweeters but they tend to be more vintage sounding by default. If I had different cabs? Man, not sure I could call it. It would probably come down to what I was playing most of the time. Both sound very good to me....
 
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Right on. I've got 4x10s w tweeters, so I get plenty of high end. The T seems to do well with them. But I've always been curious how the attack of the Mosfet compares to the tube. It can be a bit soft sometimes on the tube version. Still pretty punchy though.

Also have you ever compared them to the actual Streamliner 900? I've been wondering how they compare to the "original".
 
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Ballin'bass said:
Right on. I've got 4x10s w tweeters, so I get plenty of high end. The T seems to do well with them. But I've always been curious how the attack of the Mosfet compares to the tube. It can be a bit soft sometimes on the tube version. Still pretty punchy though.

Also have you ever compared them to the actual Streamliner 900? I've been wondering how they compare to the "original".
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Unfortunately, never played or heard a Streamliner. My loss, maybe..... :D

The M has LOTS of punch & quickness. If I was doing a set where I to play a large variety of music from various eras, I would use the M. If it was strictly music that required more warmth (Blues, Classic Rock, Old School R&B and Funk, etc....), I would grab the T first. But, the T with my tweeterless cabs is just TOO dark if I don't use the EQ.
 
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#133
Ballin'bass said:
Ok so the M is much brighter. Good to know. Being that I use modulus basses primarily, the less bright nature of the T seems like the better option in my case.

Still I'd love to try the Mosfet sometime.
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Yes, it is brighter but it's not all highs though. It definitely has some bottom and kicking in the Ultra Low switch certainly enhances the bottom. Haven't had much use for the Ultra High function on the M. Been a long time since I have heard a Modulus and I can understand why you feel that the T suits those better.
 
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#134
Yea I think it mellows out the crispness of the graphite just right, but also I use very versatile active preamps in my basses so I can tame it on the bass when I need to and that's where I do most of my tone shaping.

I do find the lows on the Veyron T to be pretty out of control and I end up having to turn down the bass considerably (around 9 o'clock) just to avoid too much bass mud. But other than that, it's pretty flexible.

Do you notice the bass frequency to be over the top at all on the T?
 
#138
Ok so I've been trying my Veyron T with a few different headphones, and a different cab to see if it was just my room or usual cabs that were giving me such boomy bass out of it. It seems to apply to everything across the board. Seriously excessive lows. They get even boomier when I turn the volume up. So bad that I have to turn the bass down below 9:00. Just to make it sound close to "flat". This makes most of the knob's range effectively useless. It does sound pretty good below 9:00 but I feel like I'm getting cheated out of some serious range. Why would they design the amp this way? Really impractical if you ask me.

Tell me this isnt the case for everybody. I'd like to think mine is defective and that this isn't the norm, that way I can return it for a new one and hope the next one doesn't have this problem. Anyone else experience excessive bass coming from this amp?
 
#139
It's a pretty thick sounding amp. Not sure that I would classify mine as having excessive lows but with my current gear, it does lay it on a little thicker than I would like. A new cab or two may get added to my collection at some point this year so my goal with that acquisition will be to find something more complimentary than what I have at this point. I wonder if a different set of tubes might help?
 

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