Bugera Veyron BV1001M gig review

[Lindex]

Why should I even care about the exact number of Watts?
It doesn't tell you anything about the sound, low freq headroom, dynamics, detail resolution etc.
RMS may be kind of interesting if you are reproducing full spectrum music, compressed to a factor to be FM airplay compatible.
An average bass guitar signal doesn't even get close to that.
It may get closer by a certain amount when you use lots of compression and distortion, but still the dynamic range will be way above what a processed band recording consists of.

Transient peaks and short time max power is of much more interest to most of the bass players.
Giving the RMS rating of the amp might give you a hint in comparison to an other amp, but it still wouldn't tell you if that amp is more or less capable to reproduce your bass signal.

What if your amplifier A puts out more RMS while amplifier B has less RMS but can get higher peak?
Which one is louder then with your bass?
And which one sounds better?
And then, what if that lower powered amp is more than loud enough in any situation you will ever run into (given that you are using a cab with a decent efficiency that is able to handle that load).

Would you buy an amp with 500W over an amp with 300W even if that one sounds better?
Just because that you might get about +2dB from that more power - if those Watts have been measured by the same, standardized method after all?

My Veyron can easily get louder at the same cab than my 300W all tube BVV3000 and still stay clean.
So that for me is way more than enough.
If for you it isn't, get a better cab.
Pushing even more power into it will most probably kill it instead of reaching acceptable sound pressure levels.

 

[John D Harris]

I always take power ratings with a grain of salt, but to clarify I do feel that if a company is using peak power ratings they should specify that in the specifications.

Not all watts are equal in today's world of different power modules using different power supply & limiter technologies.

I'm sure the wow factor gets lost a bit on some people, but because I'm always skeptical when no methodology is provided for the ratings, I never got wow'd in the 1st place (as I sure is the case of a lot of talkbass readers who've been around a while).

So, Bart Bolton, I appreciate your input, but you might want to let the higher up the chain know that real world bass players would appreciate a more real world rating methodology than 'peak power' and yes, most of us know that 'D' class amps behave differently than other classes when pushed in different ways.

Bass Gear Magazine will sort out the real world performance I'm sure (if they're provided a unit and I hope they are).

 

[ebozzz]

The following was posted and at least a couple of people bit...

Don't know if this is news, apologies if it isn't. Emailed Bugera asking what the rms of the veyron was, and they replied! They said it's 500w at 4 ohms.

Well it's straight from the horse's mouth...

Then the referenced horse spoke addressing the RMS issues and also other things.......

Dear all,

Please allow me to introduce myself, my name is Bart Bolton and I am the Manager of the MUSIC Group Care Center in Nevada which is in charge of servicing and managing spare parts for the brands Midas, Klark Teknik, Turbosound, Behringer and Bugera.

Allow me to clarify that we do not specify this amp as 500 Watt RMS as we do not specify any of our products in RMS for reasons often discussed. Today’s Class D amps are generally not designed for RMS performance and there are many online articles that explain why RMS specs are not meaningful for music performance. Perhaps we could suggest that a qualified test lab does proper measurements and in comparisons with many other brands. This would be very interesting.

Also with all respect Nutdog, Uli did neither “attack your intentions nor your integrity” and simply explained the company position. I think it is important to correct such misconceptions.

Please let me know if anyone has any further questions. We're here to help!

BB

I honestly do wish that there was some standardized form of specifications in use by amp manufacturers that allowed myself & others to clearly get a good understanding of what an amp's power provides from looking at the specs. I also admit that the fact that I did not clearly understand what the Veyron's potential was, based on the information that was displayed on paper, caused me some trepidation. The feedback from other users in this thread, other related threads and from individuals that I was able to communicate with directly (You know who you are. Thanks!), put me more at ease.

I took the plunge on the Veyron M. It impressed me so much that my curiosity about the Veyron T could not be tamed. I picked it up as well and as of right now, I am seriously leaning toward keeping both.

All that I can say is the amps perform. My concerns about their power have been alleviated by their performance. If anyone is in the market for a very good amp, it should at least be considered. That's especially true if you can try one before buying. Unfortunately, that option wasn't available to me. Still, I took the leap and don't regret my choice to do so one bit.....

 

[Guinness20]

You know what, I was only trying to be helpful and thought people wanted to know the figures regarding this amp. I emailed the company asking them, they replied - then from the second I posted the information they provided I feel like people have picking for a fight. I wish I hadn't bothered.

Btw I don't dislike Bugera in any way whatsoever, in fact very nearly bought a bugera amp head. I don't know why certain people have gone on the defensive to the extent that they have.

 

[ebozzz]

You know what, I was only trying to be helpful and thought people wanted to know the figures regarding this amp. I emailed the company asking them, they replied - then from the second I posted the information they provided I feel like people have picking for a fight. I wish I hadn't bothered.

Btw I don't dislike Bugera in any way whatsoever, in fact very nearly bought a bugera amp head. I don't know why certain people have gone on the defensive to the extent that they have.

No one has picked a fight with you and if anything, you're the one that has been defensive about it! You posted this....

Don't know if this is news, apologies if it isn't. Emailed Bugera asking what the rms of the veyron was, and they replied! They said it's 500w at 4 ohms.

I replied with this....

Stoutest 500 watts that I have ever heard.....

To which you replied....

Well it's straight from the horse's mouth...

Then here's me....

Not doubting you and honestly, at this point I'm not concerned. The amp performs. That's all that matters. I would suggest you try one if you get a chance to do so. I think you'll probably understand what I meant by my previous statement then...

Hardly defensive or picking a fight with you. No one ever saw what you say you received but we did hear directly from a Bugera representative in this thread. I guess you were talking to a different horse.....

 

[seamonkey]

I always take power ratings with a grain of salt, but to clarify I do feel that if a company is using peak power ratings they should specify that in the specifications.

Not just Bugera here that causing all the advertised power to be confusing.
From what I see, Bugera does not publish or advertise these in "Peak" power.
Just plain "2000 watts"
If some Music Group "support" person says it's "peak" they just may need training if they can't back it up with published specs.
And a "peak" or may not be peak as you might compare to another manufacturer's peak power.
Same is true for "RMS" power.

FTC Amplifier Rule is going to be the best consumer protection in the US. The US Gov doesn't apply it to bass amps, but it doesn't mean consumers can't ask for amp manufacturers to provide FTC ratings.

 

[thehangingmist]

anyone know if this has the 230v/120v power switch to work around the globe?

 

[ebozzz]

anyone know if this has the 230v/120v power switch to work around the globe?

I don't think it does but I would send a message to Bugera through their website. They've always been quick to respond to my inquiries....

 

[thehangingmist]

I don't think it does but I would send a message to Bugera through their website. They've always been quick to respond to my inquiries....

i noticed some high resolution images show that it accepts 120-240v i do not see a switch, ill try looking for the email address to ask them directly

however, if i ship this to India am pretty sure it wont be easy to send it back or look for repairs, ever! so maybe i should wait for a while and make sure this lasts?

 

[ebozzz]

i noticed some high resolution images show that it accepts 120-240v i do not see a switch, ill try looking for the email address to ask them directly

however, if i ship this to India am pretty sure it wont be easy to send it back or look for repairs, ever! so maybe i should wait for a while and make sure this lasts?

Wouldn't that pretty much be a concern with any amp? Just asking.....

That being said, I haven't heard of any reliability issues with the amp and I am not overly concerned. I am in the US though.

 

[ebozzz]

You can contact Bugera here....

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[thehangingmist]

Wouldn't that pretty much be a concern with any amp? Just asking.....

That's being said, I haven't heard of any reliability issues with the amp and I am not overly concerned. I am in the US though.

yes it will be a concern with any amp and a bunch of mark bass did heads blow up here in new delhi all in the year of 2013 and no found any help. but that was just with mark bass and a particular lot i believe. they literally caught fire inside i was told. yikes

so i would go with a amp which is generally believed to be very reliable i was not concerned about this till i read through some bugera threads here and i thought "hey why do they mention *reliability* of an amp that just came out hmm" you know..

then i connected the dots with behringer etc, anyway so then i asked

 

[ebozzz]

yes it will be a concern with any amp and a bunch of mark bass did heads blow up here in new delhi all in the year of 2013 and no found any help. but that was just with mark bass and a particular lot i believe. they literally caught fire inside i was told. yikes

so i would go with a amp which is generally believed to be very reliable i was not concerned about this till i read through some bugera threads here and i thought "hey why do they mention *reliability* of an amp that just came out hmm" you know..

then i connected the dots with behringer etc, anyway so then i asked

I'm not saying that the following will totally alleviate your concerns but here's a post from a related thread about the amp....

Went to Chuck Levins today and saw the Mosfet and Tube version in their amp department. Gave them a try and walked out with the Tube version. Really nice sounding amp, IMHO. The salesguy said they have had zero returns with the amp and they pretty much fly off the shelves. The sales guys at Chucks are pretty straight up. If there were issues, they would tell you and suggest something else. I'll give it some real play time tomorrow at practice. Initial impressions are very good.

While I have never had any personal experience with Chuck Levin's, they seem to be a respected dealer.

Chuck Levin's Music Instruments Store

 

[thehangingmist]

I'm not saying that the following will totally alleviate your concerns but here's a post from a related thread about the amp....



While I have never had any personal experience with Chuck Levin's, they seem to be a respected dealer.

Chuck Levin's Music Instruments Store

am just wondering if it sounds anything like the aguilar TH heads, till now i like going through the FX loop and use the preamps on my zoom b3 but the preamp on the amp head serves as a backup and i dont mind using it if it sounds good

 

[ebozzz]

am just wondering if it sounds anything like the aguilar TH heads, till now i like going through the FX loop and use the preamps on my zoom b3 but the preamp on the amp head serves as a backup and i dont mind using it if it sounds good

I've never tried the Tone Hammer but I think there are a few people who currently own one of the Veyrons who have. Maybe someone will chime in. The comparison that I have often heard the most is of the Veyrons and the Genz Benz Streamliner. That may be based more on the outward appearance of the Veyrons as they do look similar.

 

[thehangingmist]

I've never tried the Tone Hammer but I think there are a few people who currently own one of the Veyrons who have. Maybe someone will chime in. The comparison that I have often heard the most is of the Veyrons and the Genz Benz Streamliner. That may be based more on the outward appearance of the Veyrons as they do look similar.

any sound clip of the streamliner which "captures" the sound of the amp well? i know this is hard because of a whole bunch of variables!
i have only ever played through the aguiar th head once or twice but they seemed to be "nice and transparent-ish" and i liked the TH head more than all the other heads that were around to my tastes.. i don't even remember what all other heads were around but i think the other was much more expensive epifani perhaps and there were some others.. meh i even like the aguilar sim on the zoom b3 which seems to have done a really good job at copying the signature sound of the sansamp, hartke, markbass, aguilar heads and pre's etc!

 

[ebozzz]

This is probably the best one that I am aware of....

 

[thehangingmist]

ed's reviews are pretty good and the sound is captured well! i see how the bugera is very very close! from front and even the back! yikes! i dont mind that a lot though..

This is probably the best one that I am aware of....

 

[ebozzz]

ed's reviews are pretty good and the sound is captured well! i see how the bugera is very very close! from front and even the back! yikes! i dont mind that a lot though..

Not so sure how they compare as far as the tone goes. I do like the way that both of the Veyron amps sound very much.

 

[thehangingmist]

Not so sure how they compare as far as the tone goes. I do like the way that both of the Veyron amps sound very much.

i am sure i want the M because it is a 100$ less but also i've read that the Mofset is faster, snappier which is what i want