I could be wrong, but I'd be willing to hazard a guess that Harbinger is a house brand of Guitar Center, like Acoustic.
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Bugera Veyron Now Available
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Actually sir, you ARE correct. The name Harbinger was originally a name for very high end PA equipment manufactured out of California. The original owner sold the company to a larger corporation and the corporation immediately halted American production and moved it overseas to Asia. The name Harbinger was at one time very respected in the PA world, now it's like Guitar Center's Acoustic amp. It is in name only and doesn't resemble the high end stuff at all. So the name Harbinger is no play on the name Behringer.
Also interesting to note is that Mackie is also no longer built in Washington state. Most of the components are built out of Behringer City in China. If you look through the powered cabinet selection, you'll find striking similarities between Mackie and Behringer powered speakers. I believe they are knowledge sharing.
Turbosound is a tremendously successful PA systems company out of the UK, they are pioneers in 21st century PA development research and technology. Very highly regarded. It's a tremendous score for Behringer to be able to partner with such a professional sound company.
I believe much of this Class-D technology is being researched and developed out of China. It appears there are actually less and less big players and more consolidation going on in both the sound and amplification world.
Sad that we can build the best stealth aircraft, tanks, and high tech combat gear in the world, but most of our musical equipment is built in Asia.
It is a Guitar Center house brand.
edit: @alaskaleftybass was faster than I am.
edit: @alaskaleftybass was faster than I am.
getting WAAAAY off topic here...but the rumors on the interwebs is that Harbinger speakers are made by a company out of China called Soundking.
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Harbinger speaker products were originally designed by Mark Wayne and manufactured in the San Francisco Bay area. Good gear, mostly based around JBL components of the time, well executed and quite heavy. I worked with and mixed on many of these systems over the years. There is zero similarity to what is being sold as Harbinger today, and Harbinger existed long before Behringer existed (at least here in the states). I just decommissioned the last pair of Harbinger HF horns, they were designed for very long throw (like 20 degrees x 40 degrees) and were commonly used to add top end to the "lawn seating". That technology is no longer necessary with the advent of line arrays and (if needed) delay towers.
Off track replies are quite a good read. 
MOSFET is in stock.
MOSFET is in stock.
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I don't know why, but for some reason I hope this product is amazing and everyone loves it. Would be cool for Behringer to hit something out of the park, and this product looks like, spec/feature-wise, they finally got their poopie together to take a real shot.
Curious to hear one - the V22 Bugera an old guitarist played was one of the nicer sounding little tube combos I have played with....he would gig his CV Squier 50s Strat into that combo in bars/small clubs and constantly have 'in the crowd' guitarists curious about his set-up and loving his tone...they were always shocked that it was all budget gear (with a behringer tuner and tube screamer clone) Looked great as well.
I would like to hear one of those turbosound drivers as well...
Of course in a typical (this is China) situation - Bugera and Behringer are not that readily available here AND sell for 2-3x the price they sell for Stateside...and I could drive my motorbike to Behringer City!!!
I would like to hear one of those turbosound drivers as well...
Of course in a typical (this is China) situation - Bugera and Behringer are not that readily available here AND sell for 2-3x the price they sell for Stateside...and I could drive my motorbike to Behringer City!!!
Wow! That's odd! You're not far from Behringer City and their stuff is 2-3 times the price? I wonderwhy thaat is????? How much is the other American stuff?
Gear here is uber expensive..even the MIC stuff. A MIM Standard P or J would be $1000USD (+) an MIA Standard would be closer to $2K...A Fender Bronco Amp is over $500...You would be hard pressed to find a Squier Classic Vibe..and if you did it would in the $500-600 range and would be from a 're-seller'. Oddly most of the 'great value' MIC gear is either not available here or priced so high it stops being a silly good value..
Accessories like stands and bags are cheap..but the gear itself is premium priced - I assume it is because (at least in this part of China) it is still viewed as a luxury and taxed accordingly..
This.
Bugera has been consistently delivering excellent sounding affordable tube guitar amps for a while now. Behringer's budget PA stuff also gets the job done ridiculously cheaply. I don't own anything from them, but really don't get the hate.
Manufacturer advertises amp at 3-4 times the wattage of similar offerings from competitors. Some consumers call BS. That is not hate.
This endless Behringer / Bugera discussion is boring. I'm sure that 90% of the people who write bad things about Behringer here, have never owned Behringer stuff.
Why not test first, then make your own opinion?
Anyone who has at least a little technical understanding, should understand that the wattage of the Veyrons is a peak-wattage. Unfortunately, manufacturers do not give a consistent performance.
Why not test first, then make your own opinion?
Anyone who has at least a little technical understanding, should understand that the wattage of the Veyrons is a peak-wattage. Unfortunately, manufacturers do not give a consistent performance.
I own a behringer bass 115 combo. It was advertised as 180 watts. Although it is adequate for its current purpose it doesn't come close to matching my older Yamaha 100 watt 115 combo.
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The actual number, method and name are irrelevant to me. I want to have a general idea of what the amp will do when I'm reading the ad. Picking a number that is way higher than you're competitors' to advertise is disingenuous and useless. It may be a perfectly fine amp. The marketing bs turns me off.
One of the lessons learned is that when a company acquires another company with a well known brand name, there's no reason to believe that they will incorporate anything but the brand name in their future products.
