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Bugera Veyron Now Available
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Some items - some are higher (but usually not as high as here) BUT if you order online from anywhere outside of mainland china you need to pay the import fees etc..so it ends up about the same.
I had both of the Veyrons at home for some days.
Ordered them from Thomann for comparison and to see if I liked them at all.
As I also own a Bugera BVV3000 all tube amp my hopes were to find a lighter version for smaller venues that sounded as close to its big brother as possible.
That's why I was thinking to probably keep the tube one and send the mosfet back.
Well...it all came out differently.
First: the control unit of the M is 1:1 the same as on the BVV, same knobs, buttons, mid freqs etc.
The T mimics the control unit of a Genz Benz Streamliner, same knobs and stuff on the Bugera as on the GB.
Second: sound...not only the controls are the same, also the basic voicing of the M is very close to the BVV (which then again is a clone of an SVT CL) and all switches and selectors like mid freq and Ultra low/high sound the same.
Plug in a 7ender P bass and you immediately get a bit of that Ampeg-like sound with strong mids and a very present high range
The T is a completely different beast, warmer and stronger bass and low mids, less mid mids and high mids and a bit shy in the trebles, but very warm and silky.
A more massive and fundamental sound that focuses on a warm and smooth but strong low end.
Didn't expect them to sound that different, the M is way more snappy, bity and mid heavy, but then when you engage the ultra low boost it's like a contour switch in other brands, reducing ~500Hz a good bit and adding just a tad of low bass.
Gives it a lot of punch and bite, excellent rock sound with a pick etc.
The T with its strong low mids and a bit more reserved upper end in my opinion would suit better to Jazz, Soul, Pop etc. where the bass usually is a bit less aggressive and more focused to fundamental lows.
So, what's up with that 2000W thing?
Probably not 2 KW, but as they claim it to be peak power that was clear anyway.
My guess would be somewhere in the 600 to 800 W RMS area.
I have fired a TecAmp L810 cab with both of them which is claimed to be able to eat some 2400W and it didn't only get incredibly loud but I also had the feeling that the 810 had some work to do to handle the power.
So when someone would ask me how many Watts the amp had, I'd just say "enough".
I don't give a sh..t about the exact number, it gets loud enough and even further, still having some headroom when my ears haven't anymore, so what (Watt).
Contrary to what I had expected I decided to keep the mosfet version. Not an easy decision though...
Ordered them from Thomann for comparison and to see if I liked them at all.
As I also own a Bugera BVV3000 all tube amp my hopes were to find a lighter version for smaller venues that sounded as close to its big brother as possible.
That's why I was thinking to probably keep the tube one and send the mosfet back.
Well...it all came out differently.
First: the control unit of the M is 1:1 the same as on the BVV, same knobs, buttons, mid freqs etc.
The T mimics the control unit of a Genz Benz Streamliner, same knobs and stuff on the Bugera as on the GB.
Second: sound...not only the controls are the same, also the basic voicing of the M is very close to the BVV (which then again is a clone of an SVT CL) and all switches and selectors like mid freq and Ultra low/high sound the same.
Plug in a 7ender P bass and you immediately get a bit of that Ampeg-like sound with strong mids and a very present high range
The T is a completely different beast, warmer and stronger bass and low mids, less mid mids and high mids and a bit shy in the trebles, but very warm and silky.
A more massive and fundamental sound that focuses on a warm and smooth but strong low end.
Didn't expect them to sound that different, the M is way more snappy, bity and mid heavy, but then when you engage the ultra low boost it's like a contour switch in other brands, reducing ~500Hz a good bit and adding just a tad of low bass.
Gives it a lot of punch and bite, excellent rock sound with a pick etc.
The T with its strong low mids and a bit more reserved upper end in my opinion would suit better to Jazz, Soul, Pop etc. where the bass usually is a bit less aggressive and more focused to fundamental lows.
So, what's up with that 2000W thing?
Probably not 2 KW, but as they claim it to be peak power that was clear anyway.
My guess would be somewhere in the 600 to 800 W RMS area.
I have fired a TecAmp L810 cab with both of them which is claimed to be able to eat some 2400W and it didn't only get incredibly loud but I also had the feeling that the 810 had some work to do to handle the power.
So when someone would ask me how many Watts the amp had, I'd just say "enough".
I don't give a sh..t about the exact number, it gets loud enough and even further, still having some headroom when my ears haven't anymore, so what (Watt).
Contrary to what I had expected I decided to keep the mosfet version. Not an easy decision though...
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Well said Lindex. I am currently driving my rig with a power amp that puts out 1100 watts at 4ohms. So my comparison with the Veyron will essentially be "can I get my gig volume without having to crank this amp to the max to do it". If I can, my answer to the "how many watts?" question will be "Plenty"
Oh, a 2014 youtube video from gear4music. How did I miss that? I think you and I have different definitions of "clear".
Ok, that one goes to you...
It was "clear" to me as that statement has been quoted a couple of times all over the web, so I kind of took it for granted that everyone has read about this already.
Might be I jumped to that conclusion a bit, sorry for that.
Can anyone put together a sound clip or video for these things? I am greatly intrigued by the amp, but I don't know what it sounds like at all. Lindex did a great job describing it, but I'd still love to hear it before taking the plunge.
I'd also love to hear the BVV, which is another amp I can't find a sound clip/video for...
I'd also love to hear the BVV, which is another amp I can't find a sound clip/video for...
I bought the Bugera BN115TS 15" cab. It has a large slot port on the bottom front of the cabinet. The back is solid, sealed. BTW the cab is a beast. I pumped a lot of watts into it and it got loud and thumpy, but well defined. Very light for its size. I examined the interior, and yes, it is birch plywood. The wheels are large and it rolls around quite easily.
Excellent review! I was curious too about the "real world" differences between the Mosfet and Tube amps. Where I live there was no way to test it without buying it first. And in the United States they are already sold out!
A question for you. How much does it actually weigh? Would you be able to put it on a scale and weigh it? Pounds would be preferred, but I can convert kilograms.
Would you mind taking some pictures? I would be excited to see a Tecamp 810! I believe they are the top of the line in Europe, right?
Thanks!
Sure, no prob!
I just put the 810 into my car today so I can take it to the practice room tomorrow after work, and the Veyron M is already there anyway.
So I'll put that stack together tomorrow evening and take a few pics.
Yes, the TecAmp is one of the better 810s definitely, extremely lightweight with just 39 Kgs or 86 pounds.
But you can't really compare it to an Ampeg 810 which is actually four closed 210s in one cab.
The TecAmp is one big volume bass reflex cab, the speakers are not sealed from each other.
Its voicing is more on the "modern" side, compared to an Ampeg it goes much lower and acts more dynamically where the SVT cabs get their typical sound from the closed construction sound compression.
The TecAmp with it's 8 neodymium magnet speakers sounds way more open and "full range" where the SVT concentrates on its midrange.
I would not call any of these cabs the "better" one, they once simply again match different sound ideals.
But, to be honest: in my very personal taste none of them can match my custom made 2x18...
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Sure, no prob!
I just put the 810 into my car today so I can take it to the practice room tomorrow after work, and the Veyron M is already there anyway.
So I'll put that stack together tomorrow evening and take a few pics.
Yes, the TecAmp is one of the better 810s definitely, extremely lightweight with just 39 Kgs or 86 pounds.
But you can't really compare it to an Ampeg 810 which is actually four closed 210s in one cab.
The TecAmp is one big volume bass reflex cab, the speakers are not sealed from each other.
Its voicing is more on the "modern" side, compared to an Ampeg it goes much lower and acts more dynamically where the SVT cabs get their typical sound from the closed construction sound compression.
The TecAmp with it's 8 neodymium magnet speakers sounds way more open and "full range" where the SVT concentrates on its midrange.
I would not call any of these cabs the "better" one, they once simply again match different sound ideals.
But, to be honest: in my very personal taste none of them can match my custom made 2x18...
That's a thing of beauty right there!
Great review!
I would not be too surprised if most would prefer the M if given the choice side by side. There's a lot of good sound that can come out of a Mosfet design.
I expect that a lot of people will by from the internet, and buy the T version, just because it has some T's
Side by side in a store, it may be a different story.
I have the BB410 powered by Bugera not Turbosound. Not in the position to compare it to another cabinet. Bought it because it was the only one I could get my hands on.
