Bugera

[twc1313]

I had the Mosfet version, currently own the Rumble 800 head. I say don't pay any mind to the "Bugera is Berringer and they are evil and copy and are cheap junk blah blah" pearl clutching. The amp I had was well-built, held up fine, and sounded good.

That being said, the power is a bit lacking compared to even my old Rumble 500. I prefer the Rumble's tone more, but this is a tone preference and not a matter of one being "better" than the other. The Bugera is more modern sounding and smooth, the Rumble more vintage and has more "balls" to my ears.

The gain and pad on the Bugera was my only complaint. The clip light seemed to always be on without the pad, and the pad was -15db which IMO is too drastic.

 

[buzzbass]

thanks guys

 

[-Asdfgh-]

I had the Mosfet version, currently own the Rumble 800 head. I say don't pay any mind to the "Bugera is Berringer and they are evil and copy and are cheap junk blah blah" pearl clutching. The amp I had was well-built, held up fine, and sounded good.

That being said, the power is a bit lacking compared to even my old Rumble 500. I prefer the Rumble's tone more, but this is a tone preference and not a matter of one being "better" than the other. The Bugera is more modern sounding and smooth, the Rumble more vintage and has more "balls" to my ears.

The gain and pad on the Bugera was my only complaint. The clip light seemed to always be on without the pad, and the pad was -15db which IMO is too drastic.

If an amp if fairly flat sounding you can add something to it (e.g. VT pedal) and modify it. It's harder the other way round. It does add $$$ but you can always change the pedal in front and the character.

 

[KJMO]

Looking at the price, I have to agree with others who said "why?". I got my Genzler mg350 for 360.00 brand new. I guarantee it's just as loud, and way better quality. And there's nothing slimy about the company. I hate to think marketing it as a 2000w amp is effective, but apparently...

Also, I believe they copy the exterior of amps made by good companies to make people think the internals are the same, only not "overcharged for". But like agedhorse said, the internals are not at all the same. I also believe they regularly violate ip, but it would take pretty deep pockets to battle them. Companies apparently have won suits against them. I found it interesting Uli sued a bunch of forum members for pointing out similarities as has been done here. Slimy.

 

[BogeyBass]

sad thing is behringer and bugera have actually done some rather good class D designs. And at the design level all the mistakes that Ampeg and many others have made with international rectifier chips could get a pretty good lesson on how its really done.

hate hate hate lol. this brand name blah blah is higher quality blah blah.

Heres the better news. everyone copied everyone at one time. and for god sakes how come 6 zillion amps have the same bass mid mid treble or the same sweep able parametric EQ and nobody seems to cry cry cry like babies that GK Eden and SWR covered all this crap almost 40 years ago now.

lol they are all freaking copies rather complete perfect copies or very much " based" on the legacy models that wrote this book long long ago.

like boutique pedal effects copy and copy and copy the same old roland boss designs or countless other classics before.
literally guys out there paying 300 to 500 dollars for about 4 to 10 dollars worth of copied electronics.

Behringer says ahhh heck im the bad guy. i make the same thing for 20 bucks. just exactly who is ripping who off.

by the way bucket brigade analog chips have been out of production for a long long time. Behringer actually put alot and time and effort to make real analog delay. how? the actually made or reissued the chips. not emulate made the actual real chips. meaning that probably over the last 5 to 10 years rather you spent 500 dollars for a analog delay or 20 dollars for a real analog delay. Behringer made the chip regardless thats where other companys buy them from lol

any who its funny as crap 2000 thousand watts of overated watts. yet the case is actually dam good design and the preamp nobody seems to get what the design is going after. and its the same one everyone else does their own version of over and over and over again lol. be really great if someone tested the thing and it really did blast out 2000 watts. heck if it even did 1000 watts and dont shut down. it just kicked half the markets booty anyways

 

[KJMO]

I'm sure Uli thinks it's funny too. Bugera Veyron?

 

[agedhorse]

I pointed out the similarities and clarified that they are not the same internally because of the constant confusion between the two products here on TB. Intentional or not, the confusion has certainly caused some forum members to come to incorrect conclusions and I get PMs often enough asking me if my Genz Benz factory service program covers the Veyrons also... a little bit frustrating.

At this point, it's all water under the bridge for me but the confusion and judgments of those here continue.

 

[Les Fret]

I haven't read the whole topic obviously. But is Bugera from Behringer or the same company?

And for those of you who own the Veyron 1001. How do these compare to other cheaper amps like the Aguilar Tonehammer 500 for example?

 

[seamonkey]

I haven't read the whole topic obviously. But is Bugera from Behringer or the same company?

They are brands of Music Tribe, for example:
Midas, Klark Teknik, Behringer, Bugera, Eurocom, Turbosound, TC Electronic, TC-Helicon, Lake, Lab.gruppen, Tannoy, TC Applied Technologies, CoolAudio

Music Tribe has a huge China factory that is way to big for just their gear, expect that other gear is also made there. Like they probably did for some of these companies they acquired over the years.

And for those of you who own the Veyron 1001. How do these compare to other cheaper amps like the Aguilar Tonehammer 500 for example?

Sound wise that would be Subjective. Can you try these out yourself? Do you care about COO? Warranty?

 

[KJMO]

I haven't read the whole topic obviously. But is Bugera from Behringer or the same company?

And for those of you who own the Veyron 1001. How do these compare to other cheaper amps like the Aguilar Tonehammer 500 for example?

I'm not going to say the veyron is a bad amp, as I suspect it isn't, but the Aguilar is made in the U.S., very well built, and has a unique sound that is worth having if you like it. I _believe_ their power is similar, despite the claimed numbers. That said, I know what I would choose even if they are similarly priced, but ymmv.

 

[Les Fret]

I'm not going to say the veyron is a bad amp, as I suspect it isn't, but the Aguilar is made in the U.S., very well built, and has a unique sound that is worth having if you like it. I _believe_ their power is similar, despite the claimed numbers. That said, I know what I would choose even if they are similarly priced, but ymmv.

I guess judging from this post that would be the Aguilar? Or not?

 

[Paulabass]

Behringer is much better than they used to be. I still cannot bring myself to using one because I sold Behringer for years, and threw out dumpsters full of defective gear. It might be psychological. I do however use Behringer x32's, so I'm a hypocrite.
Behringer watts are product descriptions only. You may get 2000 watts out of one for a fraction of a second at 1 ohm, 220volts, and cooling it with a fire extinguisher.

 

[KJMO]

I guess judging from this post that would be the Aguilar? Or not?

Absolutely the Aguilar. I can't think of anything better about the Bugera, other than the wattage, which is not apples and apples. I've seen the more conservative ratings of the iNUKE series amps, the ratings that crown and qsc use, and they are a quarter of what the marketing watts are. So I assume the same for the Bugera. So for the same money, no contest, for me.

 

[Sanchan]

I haven't read the whole topic obviously. But is Bugera from Behringer or the same company?

And for those of you who own the Veyron 1001. How do these compare to other cheaper amps like the Aguilar Tonehammer 500 for example?

I had both but sold Aguilar and still keeping Veyron! I prefer "Clean" sound of Veyron. Also, I like an AUX In capability. IMHO, Veyron is crazy loud!

 

[And I]

By all accounts these amps sound good. The only thing I don't like about Bugera is their dishonest specifications regarding wattage. If they are going to use peak wattage when everyone else is using rms wattage, they should at least state "peak" on their ratings.

 

[KJMO]

500w can make a lot of noise! I'll take one more shot at the Bugera since I have lots of time on my hands ;-) Does anyone believe it has the same power as this:

QSC RMX5050a 2000 Watt Two Channel Power Amplifier, @ $1850.00

I'd bet my house it doesn't!

I agree though, if you don't like the "vintage" sound of the aguilar, something else might be better.

 

[DJ Bebop]

I'm not going to say the veyron is a bad amp, as I suspect it isn't, but the Aguilar is made in the U.S., very well built, and has a unique sound that is worth having if you like it. I _believe_ their power is similar, despite the claimed numbers. That said, I know what I would choose even if they are similarly priced, but ymmv.

I'm not going to say the veyron is a bad amp, as I suspect it isn't, but the Aguilar is made in the U.S., very well built, and has a unique sound that is worth having if you like it. I _believe_ their power is similar, despite the claimed numbers. That said, I know what I would choose even if they are similarly priced, but ymmv.

Assembled in the USA, maybe not made in the USA.

 

[JW56789]

Despite all the gnashing of teeth about '2000 Whats?' or all the rest of the debate about this product line, for me I'd simply say it's Built To a Price . . . . as is any product in any price range. That a manufacturer is playing fast and loose with their published specs is hardly news, and Bugera/Behringer is hardly alone, or the first. Until there is solid consumer legislation that forces all gear through the exact same tests, you can say or publish anything you want. Anybody else remember all the crazy claims that made the JC Whitney catalog such a hoot to read ?

But even with Chinese production and labor costs, probable assimilation of most of the design features by outright copying / reverse engineering thereby eliminating a lot of up front design and development costs, and a tin box full of iffy Chinese parts, any manufacturer can only close the gap to more fundamentally solid designs built by higher skilled assembly techs with much higher spec / reliable parts only so far.

You can certainly say a Casio or Timex keeps time just as well as a TAG Heuer or Rolex, and that's true. But Casio can't build an Omega Seamaster for the same retail price as a G-Shock, and for those for whom that matters, there will always be a market for both.

 

[KJMO]

Assembled in the USA, maybe not made in the USA.

True, I'm sure icepower modules are made in china, as are most electronic components, so assembled is probably as close as it gets.

 

[JeezyMcNuggles]

Anyone have any experience/thoughts or opinions with this thing ? My SVT 4pro rack is getting a bit heavy for my old ass to carry. Thanks in advance............

Bugera Veyron M BV1001M 2000W Bass Head

That amp is great. It's no SVT, but it sounds great, looks great, features work well, and it's small. Its 500w RMS @4ohms. I had one for about 2 years. Served me very well with zero problems. The tube pre version on the other hand, returned it for that one in about 2 weeks. The mosfet just sounds better, and is more reliable.

I first bought that Veyron because I picked up the 15" combo when I was living in makaha. It was fairly cheap, and big enough to jam with, so I bought one. I loved the sound. So, when I moved back home, I checked out the Veyron (which are the same amps as the combos give or take power). Loved it. But, I first bought the T version because...tubes. started having tube problems in 2 weeks. Swapped it for the mosfet. Loved it more. No tubes, no tube problems was my thinking. I didn't know it was also going to sound better.