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Can we please stop using "guitard"?

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Chris 'Wighat' Jordan said:
OF COURSE the word "r*tard" has use and meaning that is not hurtful. Calling a person one is not among them.
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Okay; this post is the best opportunity I've seen to ask for some clarity in all this murk. What is the scope of the OP's question? I think we all would agree that calling a person any kind of a "tard" to their face is totally unacceptable -- Down's, Asberger's, guitar players; just don't do it. But what about saying it in what should be a private conversation, where the operative preposition is "about" and not "to"? I agree that using the term possibly within the hearing of someone who knows an afflicted person is a minefield, but where is the line to be drawn? At what point to we trek
into the Bolshevist quicksand of word and (ultimately) thought control?

And if we star banning words or whole classes of words, what terms do we come up with to label what those words formerly described? Take the word "gay," for example. Common usage now is so far removed from the understood meaning of the word when Disney did his animated feature half a century ago, that that original usage has been lost. What word has stepped up to take over that
meaning?
 
#303
Chris 'Wighat' Jordan said:
Trust me, I know some AWFUL guitarists. Too loud, too busy, wrong scale-playing, obnoxious stage-wankers.

Some folks on TB refer to ALL guitarists EVERY time using the derogatory term in question. And it's an offensive term just by its nature. It's used to condemn guitarists to inferiority and it references a very real disability. Not nice. It's like when you think something is awful and you call it "gay". Not kind to gay people.

Let's call the truly awful guitarists "gui-douche bags" or something.
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I have met a few VOC-DOUCHE BAGS, meaning vocalist, HEE HEEEE!:thumbsup: You know one of those singers that think they are the captains of the band and everyone else is below him because he is a singer and can't even jam drums, lead, or Bass, just sings bad, with a cocky attitude.;) :bassist::bassist:
 
#304
Chris 'Wighat' Jordan said:
Yep. I don't think "guitard" should be banned. I certainly don't expect everyone to honor my request. I just wanted to bring some attention to the potential hurtfulness of it. I'm not really even offended. Again, more like embarrassed. I'm a member of Talkbass and, as such, I feel the use of the word "guitard" reflects on me.
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Ya know... I agree. It's a cheap shot at others' expense and no longer remotely clever.

I'm not PC by any measure, just weary of very tired and overused memes.
 
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Tractorr said:
You go right ahead and ignore whatever you want that is your perspective. I will go ahead and voice my opinion. That is the funny thing about the anti-PC crowd their argument is basically saying "stop voicing your opinion"
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I disagree that the "anti-PC" argument is saying you can't voice your opinion. Voice it all you want. All I ask is that you please don't tell me that I have to agree, which some in the "pro-PC" crowd like to do. Just to be clear, I am not pointing any fingers with that comment, I'm sure the folks that do that on a regular basis are self aware enough to realize it. Or maybe not. Anyway, I don't have to do agree. I make a choice to behave tactfully in public, I don't need to be told by someone that I have to be. I find THAT offensive. Again, not pointing any fingers, but it happens. It's like me saying "Stop voicing your opinions". It would be nice to be asked! (and kudos to the OP, at least he said "please" in his thread title. All this talk about words people can't use, folks forget about the one word that opens doors: please!)
 
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You are pursuing a non attainable endeavor... Just mentioning it creates motivation that is the antithesis of the entire thread. It ain't gonna happen ;) ... You're going to have to build up mental and psychological calluses and just let sleeping dogs lie... Good luck!

Cheers,

D.
 
#309
I've never used the taboo phrase. But, people tell me I can't?? Screw you, I can say what I want. That's one of the main reasons I'm an artist. It just goes to show, not a lot of artists here, mostly cover bands and gear heads.. I'm out.
 
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I guess it should stop. I'd have to search my posts to see if I've used it, I may have. I guess I'm a little less sensitive to dufus because at some point in jr high my nickname was Ricardo Retardo. So, I think my brain just shut off any sensitivity to that word. But I agree, I'll stop. Then there's douche. Isn't that offensive to women? We're saying something is wrong with the female reproductive organs such that we make it an insult. Just food for thought.
 
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Just thinking about it now, am I the only one who thinks there's a difference between being hurt and being offended? I don't know if the dictionary makes a distinction but I do. If you make fun of my nose I'll probably get hurt but I can choose whether I get offended. I choose whether i'm the victim.

I've heard it said that standup comics are people with deep wounds who develop a sense of humor so they choose how people laugh at them. There was a gay kid in my high school who no one picked on because he'd rip you to shreds with his biting humor. It was something to behold.
 
#315
I guess we could just strike out every word that could possibly hurt anyones feelings until our language is just a series of unintelligible grunts.

Then we would actually have to hit someone upside the head with a club to hurt their feelings.
 
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BigBobbyBass said:
I've never used the taboo phrase. But, people tell me I can't?? Screw you, I can say what I want. That's one of the main reasons I'm an artist. It just goes to show, not a lot of artists here, mostly cover bands and gear heads.. I'm out.
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Awww! Missed opportunity! You could have typed this:

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