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Can we please stop using "guitard"?

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I'm all for voicing opinions. If we didn't we wouldn't be here talking about this. I don't refuse to be offended. I have lived my 42 years of life not wasting time on it. So far it's paid off. Case in point I'm not remotely irritated at the fact that we do not agree. I'm just bored waiting for my friend to pick me up and my amp, bass and pedal world is pretty much set so there isn't anything else going on in the TB world to type about.
 
You seriously believe that? BWAHAHAHA!

Let's get it straight...as stated before, "freedom of speech" ONLY prevents you from getting arrested for your speech. It does not prevent people from judging your words any way they see fit. If you say something that people interpret as bigoted, then they have every right in the world to call you a bigot and shun you from their presence, and ain't a thing in the world you can do about it except complain.

But why does it have to go beyond being offended and judging people?

What I don't like is someone who wants to punish people in the name of protecting other people from words. I'm thinking specifically about the incident a few years back when a woman at a tech convention overheard two guys privately joking about a "dongle" and they lost their jobs. I've heard that referred to as "vindictive protectiveness." IMO that crosses the line. A guy has to worry about feeding his kids because he joked about a dongle. IMO the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Send the guy to sensitive training. Make him write a public apology. Something more in line with the offense.
 
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Exactly, I am not offended by Patti Smith's song Rock N Roll N*****. I am offended when some racist jerk uses the term. I am not offended when I see pictures of old punks in the 70s wearing swastikas because it was a statement. I am offended when I see a neo nazis wearing one.

Yep. Although what I feel when someone uses a racial slur isn't exactly offense. More like shame or regret. Let's say it's a white male using the slur in reference to an Asian person. I'm not offended exactly. I'm not Asian. I'm a white male.

It's forcing a belief system on someone who doesn't want it. Plain and simple. Like going door to door and saying believe in MY god or do't go to MY heaven. ..say MY words and be offended by words I say are offensive or be forever called a racist or bigot.

There. theres an answer. and it cuts both ways. Cannot cherry pick. NO bad words are okay or all bad words are okay. Once you start micromanaging everything...you're asking for more trouble than its worth.

I am not Mr. Sensitive. I'm all for offending people. I make fun of people every day and in ways that some folks think is horribly inappropriate. On the basis of occupation, race, body type, gender, what-have-you.

HERE'S WHY THIS CASE IS DIFFERENT:

saying something that is unkind to a person with -let's say Down's Syndrome- is that they don't have the same power to defend or fight back that we do.

It's bullying.
 
Although I disagree with the "anti-PC" folks here, I do want to recognize that for many of them, the issue seems to be not that they enjoy offending others per se, but that they resent the idea of being controlled. At some level, we all dislike being controlled. So it's not that the "other guys" are monsters, but that they draw the line in a very different place.
 
So if I'm walking down a city street and hear someone berate a person of color with vile, racists remarks my natural reaction should be to approach the person of color and explain to them all of the ways that THEY shouldn't have a problem with it and how the onus is on THEM to move on and ignore that filth?? With all due respect that is a totally outdated mentality and society has evolved from it. It's 2015 and that stuff doesn't play any more.
Who in the world describes people "of color"? You could of just as easily said " If I'm walking down the street and hear someone berate a person" . We are all people. I'm not sure if we have evolved from primates or if Jesus's father made us from dirt and spit, but I'm holding out on the chance that death might possibly be better than birth.
 
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1) "guitard" implies the word "******". I don't need to explain how offensive that is. Even the term "********" is dated and offensive.

2) the guitarists I work with are talented, considerate professionals and I like them personally

3) "guitard" promotes a separateness, an otherness....an "us vs. them" vibe that just isn't good

I agree. As the parent of son with a learning disability I know how difficult it can be for children who are facing challenges and being called names because they learn some things a little slower than others or need to be on Individualized Education Program. I also have 2 friends with autistic children. One of them is so bad that he is now 14 years old and still cannot speak coherently. He only makes noises. The term is offensive. If people used similar language in a work environment, it wouldn't be tolerated. Frankly, when I see a post that uses the term, I won't post a reply in the thread.
 
So if I'm walking down a city street and hear someone berate a person of color with vile, racists remarks my natural reaction should be to approach the person of color and explain to them all of the ways that THEY shouldn't have a problem with it and how the onus is on THEM to move on and ignore that filth?? With all due respect that is a totally outdated mentality and society has evolved from it. It's 2015 and that stuff doesn't play any more.

not even close, imo. we're complaining about an "Overly PC World"!!! quit nitpicking, please. thank you! :beaver:
 
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I give ID 10 years before it gets deemed offensive and the intelligence experts scramble to find a replacement. Once you get on the euphemism treadmill, you can never get off. I'm also wondering how long it will be before we run out of socially acceptable terms and go back to using idiot, imbecile, and moron. It's interesting how those words aren't targeted as being hurtful as often as ******** is, even though all were clinically descriptive terms at one time. Is it because they're so old, and if so, will there be a time when ******** attains the same status they currently have?

I've been teaching for almost 20 years and every time I cover intelligence in introductory psychology, I ask the students what words they use to convey that someone is doing something they view as not very bright. I hear new terms just about every year, but the one constant is that they all have something to do with ID. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

How long until "intellectual disability" becomes offensive and non-PC, and a new term needs to be used so as not to "hurt" anyone?

P.S. Words can't really hurt anyone.
 
Who in the world describes people "of color"? You could of just as easily said " If I'm walking down the street and hear someone berate a person" . We are all people. .

I used a specific example to help illustrate my point. I don't think that anyone would take issue with being berated by someone else about chewing gum so it's a relevant distinction.
 
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if you can truly laugh at yourself ... then nothing should ever offend you ...!

i am in charge , 100%, of how i react to whatever enters my brain ..!

if you must speak in an offensive manner , then absolutely nothing should be safe or 'off the table' ...
like Don Rickles ... equally offend everyone ..!
 
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The Washington Redskins (uhh, can I still still say that?) are facing a name change...I'm sure the Chicago Blackhawks will have to change their name and rid themselves of that vile, offensive team logo as well because eventually EVERYTHING will be found to have something offensive in it to someone and therefore the world must get rid of it forever.

Dirt is an offensive term to clean. Try getting rid of it. The planet is made of it.
 
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