Cannabis

[MakiSupaStar]

Crazy to say it, but vaporization technology is changing all of this. No more smell, no more burning plant matter, no more releasing CO.

Hemp was made illegal by paper giant W.R. Hurst, and the petroleum lobby. Hemp oil BLOWS AWAY wood pulp for making paper for more reasons than I can fit in a post here, and beats diesel fuels for combustion point, clean burning, and a million other factors, too. Not the least of which is that it's an annually renewable resource! I'll say this again ANNUALLY RENEWABLE RESOURCE. That's a far cry from the inherently finite process of pumping all the poison juice out of the granite marble we live on, and torching it into our atmosphere like morons.

Industrial hemp should have been re-legalized 30yrs ago, and the fact that it hasn't, is proof 110% positive that pure, unadulterated, corporate, EVIL runs this country. To believe otherwise is folly.

I defy anyone, anywhere, to come up with a single reason why fossil-based fuel is better than hemp oil-based fuel, other than who's pocket the profits go into. It is pure poison, and we have known this since square one.

Instead of hemp which grows most anywhere and requires little care, we are still spending a gazillion dollars building oil derricks to go miles into the ground. Think about that, MILES into the ground! Even worse, MILES into the ground UNDER a mile of ocean!!!! Instead of planting a crop that can be reaped every year, and in some climates TWICE A YEAR, we are intentionally and proactively still growing the fossil fuel industry, even adding the environmental catastrophe that is hydro-fracking.

All this because Hurst didn't want to give up the profits off his paper mills, in spite of the fact he was a billionaire twice over from the newspapers he printed on it.

You forgot to mention the cotton industry as well as DuPont chemicals, of which, at the time, both the cotton industry and lumber industry are/were dependent upon for part of the process of creating cotton and paper.

 

[Metal Matt]

I think everyone needs to go here.

http://norml.org/

All the info you could ever need, news on legalization efforts (there's been a lot going on lately), info on the history of marijuana use, it's effects and the laws, state by state penalties. etc...

 

[Kosko]

I wish I understood where it stands in NY right now as far as legalization of MM is concerned.

There was a fairly large thread about it recently that made it seem as though the legislation was passed and done. Now it seems that it isn't the case and that its only been proposed.

 

[elgecko]

I wish I understood where it stands in NY right now as far as legalization of MM is concerned.

There was a fairly large thread about it recently that made it seem as though the legislation was passed and done. Now it seems that it isn't the case and that its only been proposed.

Um, yeah...Talkbass is probably NOT the best place to get your marijuana news. Try: Invalid Link Removed

 

[EBodious]

Crazy to say it, but vaporization technology is changing all of this. No more smell, no more burning plant matter, no more releasing CO.

Hemp was made illegal by paper giant W.R. Hurst, and the petroleum lobby. Hemp oil BLOWS AWAY wood pulp for making paper for more reasons than I can fit in a post here, and beats diesel fuels for combustion point, clean burning, and a million other factors, too. Not the least of which is that it's an annually renewable resource! I'll say this again ANNUALLY RENEWABLE RESOURCE. That's a far cry from the inherently finite process of pumping all the poison juice out of the granite marble we live on, and torching it into our atmosphere like morons.

Industrial hemp should have been re-legalized 30yrs ago, and the fact that it hasn't, is proof 110% positive that pure, unadulterated, corporate, EVIL runs this country. To believe otherwise is folly.

I defy anyone, anywhere, to come up with a single reason why fossil-based fuel is better than hemp oil-based fuel, other than who's pocket the profits go into. It is pure poison, and we have known this since square one.

Instead of hemp which grows most anywhere and requires little care, we are still spending a gazillion dollars building oil derricks to go miles into the ground. Think about that, MILES into the ground! Even worse, MILES into the ground UNDER a mile of ocean!!!! Instead of planting a crop that can be reaped every year, and in some climates TWICE A YEAR, we are intentionally and proactively still growing the fossil fuel industry, even adding the environmental catastrophe that is hydro-fracking.

All this because Hurst didn't want to give up the profits off his paper mills, in spite of the fact he was a billionaire twice over from the newspapers he printed on it.

a few picky points:
the newspaper mogul was "hearst"

its hemp fiber that makes paper, not the oil. but, y'all probly knew that. the oil is, of course, amazing stuff in it's own rite.

the oil is also incredibly nutritious.

and, a big issue that often goes ignored when discussing using hemp is the ability to convert our production over to it. when the indutrial hemp movement re-blossomed in the 90's, most fabric and paper was coming from china because they never stopped using it, so their factories were up and running (eastern europe too, where the plant originates). to make paper, process the oil, etc would require a re-tooling of our industries. i am not saying it can't be done or shouldn't be done. i am all for it. but, it is a large undertaking, and, thus, would require a concerted effort. business would have to be behind it and the feds would have to be behind it. and that, is a steep hill....


fun fact: i have read that in china, they serve roasted hemp seeds at the movies the way americans serve popcorn.

 

[EBodious]

Funny enough, it was in the news today that Humbolt is rallying to secure it's name as a brand and region as a mark of quality. Much like Napa Valley is known for wine.

oh please let it be so! man, i used to get the sweeeeetest outdoor, organic from humboldt. yum, yum.

...but that was a long time ago...






U.S. out of Humboldt County!

 

[shadow_FIX]

Hey all, I thought I would go ahead and weigh in on this topic.

I smoke when the resource is available to me, and fortunately I have a few close friends that push a little bit under the table to just to keep on top of their financial game. I totally respect that, and I scratch their back at the same time they scratch mine, so it's a pretty good relationship

Anyway. I'm a music major at my university, and let's just say that it's stressful. I don't mean to sound uppity or whatever, but typically if you're a better musician, you get asked to do more things and you get involved with more ensembles, performances, etc. My days usually go from 8:30am-10pm, with a few small breaks littered in between for food, and in my case, a hit or two from the bowl. In my experience, I have found that a small amount at regular intervals throughout the day keeps me from stressing out about how many rehearsals I have that day, or how long I'm gonna have to be up, stress about getting practice time in, among other things. I'm more calm, and I go through my day confident and largely stress-free when I smoke a SMALL amount. At the end of the day I will have enough to feel pretty good, but I still don't go overboard or anything like that.

I've also found that it can be good for practice as well...again, in small amounts. If I smoke a bunch then try to go practice it doesn't always work out, especially if I'm working on a fairly technical passage or something...I have a tendency to zone out a little if I'm too high. But a small amount helps: it relaxes me so I'm not tense while playing, and it helps me (imagine this) focus on the task at hand. I've found that I'm typically better at one or two specific tasks while experiencing a mild to moderate high.

So I consider it my anti-stress, anti-depressant, music-making medication that just happens to be fun

 

[muzikman7]

Watch this video and you'll see how insane the war on Marijuana really is very intresting. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

 

[baalroo]

Hey all, I thought I would go ahead and weigh in on this topic.

I smoke when the resource is available to me, and fortunately I have a few close friends that push a little bit under the table to just to keep on top of their financial game. I totally respect that, and I scratch their back at the same time they scratch mine, so it's a pretty good relationship

Anyway. I'm a music major at my university, and let's just say that it's stressful. I don't mean to sound uppity or whatever, but typically if you're a better musician, you get asked to do more things and you get involved with more ensembles, performances, etc. My days usually go from 8:30am-10pm, with a few small breaks littered in between for food, and in my case, a hit or two from the bowl. In my experience, I have found that a small amount at regular intervals throughout the day keeps me from stressing out about how many rehearsals I have that day, or how long I'm gonna have to be up, stress about getting practice time in, among other things. I'm more calm, and I go through my day confident and largely stress-free when I smoke a SMALL amount. At the end of the day I will have enough to feel pretty good, but I still don't go overboard or anything like that.

I've also found that it can be good for practice as well...again, in small amounts. If I smoke a bunch then try to go practice it doesn't always work out, especially if I'm working on a fairly technical passage or something...I have a tendency to zone out a little if I'm too high. But a small amount helps: it relaxes me so I'm not tense while playing, and it helps me (imagine this) focus on the task at hand. I've found that I'm typically better at one or two specific tasks while experiencing a mild to moderate high.

So I consider it my anti-stress, anti-depressant, music-making medication that just happens to be fun

well, first off, I would be careful with that. what you are describing actually sounds like a borderline dependency. second, which uni are you at in kansas? it's possible we might know some of the same people!

p.s. I'm VERY pro-pot, I'm not trying to be a debbie downer with the "dependency" thing just a heads-up from a completely impartial observer, y'know?

 

[MatticusMania]

I personally hate the stuff. In the 70's when even i smoked it we did it in small groups and small amounts a joint here a bowl there. Today its out in your face. People are "blazin" it in blunts smoking it driving around in cars freely and it is now stronger than it was years ago. Its more in your face and outfront and i hate seeing it ,smelling it all around.
I also see allot of the younger users who drag around high on the stuff all time acting like they can hardly talk or walk in gas stations etc getting another blunt wrapper. I had a sister in law that has allowed the stuff to ruin her jobs and marriage and a nephew who lost the best job he ever had due to it also. For me...keep it illegal forever!

Im sorry, Its been stated before, but idiots will be idiots regardless of whatever substance they consume. Sober idiots are also still as idiotic.

Those draggers, they'll still drag. And your sister-in-law probably would have ruined her life in some other way.

Funny enough, it was in the news today that Humbolt is rallying to secure it's name as a brand and region as a mark of quality. Much like Napa Valley is known for wine.

I believe they would pretty much have to be given the brand. I mean, it already means that to a lot of people. As long as Ive been smoking, the Humboldt stuff has always been considered primo in this regards.

 

[baalroo]

Im sorry, Its been stated before, but idiots will be idiots regardless of whatever substance they consume. Sober idiots are also still as idiotic.

Those draggers, they'll still drag. And your sister-in-law probably would have ruined her life in some other way.

+1

Pot doesn't turn people into losers, losers turn to pot because it fits their lifestyle.

EDIT: let me clarify that I'm certainly not saying all pot smokers are "losers," although I myself may qualify for the title on multiple fronts.

 

[Deluge Of Sound]

So, Ziltoid, made your way to a library yet?

 

[shadow_FIX]

well, first off, I would be careful with that. what you are describing actually sounds like a borderline dependency. second, which uni are you at in kansas? it's possible we might know some of the same people!

p.s. I'm VERY pro-pot, I'm not trying to be a debbie downer with the "dependency" thing just a heads-up from a completely impartial observer, y'know?

I know that I'm psychologically dependent. If I can't afford it or can't find it, I do just fine, I just miss it a little.

I'm at KSU, music composition major. I also spent a semester at KU in electrical engineering and ran as fast as I could away from that major! Not for me, I've always been a musician, always gonna be one!

Are you in school?

 

[Ziltoid]

So, Ziltoid, made your way to a library yet?

Physics exam tomorrow, chemistry on Tuesday and a huge lab report for Tuesday to, so nope.

 

[baalroo]

I know that I'm psychologically dependent. If I can't afford it or can't find it, I do just fine, I just miss it a little.

I'm at KSU, music composition major. I also spent a semester at KU in electrical engineering and ran as fast as I could away from that major! Not for me, I've always been a musician, always gonna be one!

Are you in school?

nah, I'm too old. You might know my cousin Brian W. though, he's a trumpet player up there.

 

[warwick.hoy]

Morphine is a natural substance that is effective, and the physiological adverse effects (even longer term) aren't actually as terrible as that post makes them sound... so, other than the dependence thing, calling one a poison and the other not seems pretty arbitrary and maybe a little bit biased.

I will admit that they are all poisons. Pharmaceuticals, Drugs, Hallucinogens, Alcohol, Nicotine, whatever...they are all poisons.

I don't draw the line and say one is a poison and the other one isn't. It's just that weed is a relatively benign poison compared to most pharmaceuticals that are use and accepted by the medical community and the establishment as a whole.

The main gist of my post was for comparing mainstream pharmaceuticals with a high potential for dependency and long term damage (vicodin and hydrocodone mainly) to a mostly benign substance. Morphine worked it's way in to my diatribe because of it's high addictiveness, and potential for dependency and overdose (why do you think it is so heavily monitored and controlled in hospitals).

My opinion of weed as a painkiller is one of pure speculation. I've never used it in that capacity. I think that there are some people that it helps. I think that if you were in pain and smoked enough you'd just be able to fall asleep (when your asleep you feel no pain) or at least cope with whatever pain you were feeling. I think there is also a portion of the population that use the "pain killer" agenda as an excuse to be potheads. Either way it isn't highly accepted by the establishment and the side effects are slim.

So why does the establishment make available their drugs and then tell us that a plant that's been cultivated throughout the history of man as a farmer is not acceptable to use as a medicine?

 

[elgecko]

So why does the establishment make available their drugs and then tell us that a plant that's been cultivated throughout the history of man as a farmer is not acceptable to use as a medicine?

Because the Establishment (cough, cough...pharmaceutical lobby! ) will never have a monopoly on a medicine that can be grown with the same ease as tomatoes.

 

[warwick.hoy]

Because the Establishment (cough, cough...pharmaceutical lobby! ) will never have a monopoly on a medicine that can be grown with the same ease as tomatoes.

Rereading that last line of my post seems like I was stoned when I wrote it. I'm inclined to agree with your post.

One could probably make a paranoid conspiracy theory (for the sake of) argument that the health care system is just a self perpetuating money pit and that for profit pharmaceutical companies are intentionally poisoning people in order to keep their body chemistry off balance and on a cycle of sickness.

Now where is my tinfoil hat.

 

[bassbully]

Im sorry, Its been stated before, but idiots will be idiots regardless of whatever substance they consume. Sober idiots are also still as idiotic.

Those draggers, they'll still drag. And your sister-in-law probably would have ruined her life in some other way.



I see your point but like i said until a certain type of music glorified blunts and blazin we didn't see it so freely as we do now. I disagree that we would see it as mush if the laws were not getting soft as they are now. I don't see open drinking like i see smoking. If folks keep weed indoors or in there homes etc ..fine but allot is done in cars cruzin. Draggers ...yes but there seams to be allot and younger all the time. Sister in law...good to see her go!

 

[MakiSupaStar]

Rereading that last line of my post seems like I was stoned when I wrote it. I'm inclined to agree with your post.

One could probably make a paranoid conspiracy theory (for the sake of) argument that the health care system is just a self perpetuating money pit and that for profit pharmaceutical companies are intentionally poisoning people in order to keep their body chemistry off balance and on a cycle of sickness.

Now where is my tinfoil hat.

Or. This health care bill, while on the surface it seems like a good idea, but it could be the pharmacuetical and insurance company's last grab at any cash that remains on the sinking of what was once a glorious ship. I hope not, but tin-foil-hat-timmay tells me otherwise.