I wouldn't call it dependency as much as I'd call it 'mastering the micro bowl'. Or in otherwords... Moderation.
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I wouldn't call it dependency as much as I'd call it 'mastering the micro bowl'. Or in otherwords... Moderation.
Well, I disagree about the more benign than most other pharmaceuticals part, and hydrocodone is just another opioid that isn't actually that physically harmful if you don't become an addict. Sure lots of the opioids in use are modified/made in a lab, but that doesn't necessarily make them bad. There's a reason most people grab an aspirin for a headache instead of finding themselves a willow tree.
My opinion on part of the reason that pot isn't as accepted is that most of the medicinal uses I've read about give inconsitent results. There's also some issues with dosing and administration... Oral absorption is pretty variable as I understand it, and if you're using the plant rather than an isolated compond, standardizing an amount is pretty tricky. You're also not going to see a lot of doctors that are happy writing up a prescription for someone to smoke anything (yeah I know, vaporizers... ). I know its not as fun as a conspiracy, but there's actually some legitimate reasons as to why its not really an ideal drug for many problems.
That being said, I think that its not that harmful in most cases, but that its less "benign" than the legalization side makes it out to be, even if we're not talking about smoking. I'd be more supportive of research to modify cannabinoids into a more easily used form and understand their effects a bit better than I would be of broad legalization.
Of course, I'm probably more than a little biased and it has admittedly been a few years since I've cared enough or had the time to read much on the topic.
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Some low-grade fossil fuels (e.g. coal, peat, etc) can be used as extracted without any further processing (i.e. you can dig up coal and throw it in the furnace). At the very least, hemp-oil must be pressed, which requires additional labor. Replacing existing coal/peat heating systems with hemp-based oil would require additional industrial-scale refining which would likely be powered by electricity, just like petroleum hydrocarbons.
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Uh, but where does the one ounce come from?
How do these politicians come up with this completely illogical solution. It boggles the mind, the amount of stupidity.
it is a legitimate concern for the med/pharm industries. they would need to be able to have complete control of dose and administration (meaning how you take the drug, not bureaucracy) to test it, pass FDA, and distribute it. and, of course, there is no profit without a patent. you can't patent a plant. they would have to refine it for all of these purposes.
as a fan of things whole, unprocessed, and local, i don't think cannabis (or its users) would benefit from refining the plant. dronabinol (marinol) is just delta-9 THC. cannabis has many more cannabinoids in it as well as other chemicals, all in a balance. i would rather eat fruit than take vitamin C pills for the same reasons. i would prefer a local, outdoor grown plant myself. its not like i would sell it to the high schoolers up the street from me....
What's going up for vote in November in Cali, is complete legalization, regulation and taxation of marijuana for recreational use by adults 21+. It'll be treated just like alcohol.
I reckon if that passes then it would also create a nice little tourism boost as well, 'pot tourism'.
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Regarding Hurst vs Hearst, I blame spell check 
Regarding hemp oil vs hemp fibre, a typo when I changed my wording. It happens.
And regarding this:
I would answer that this does nothing to combat the overall pollutant factor, especially for particulate matter: ergo, the stuff that causes black lung and a million other respiratory ailments. Hemp oil requires 1/10th the energy/refining of processed fossil fuels, so any losses in refining are more than made up for, and many diesel engines can be easily converted to run on hemp fuel. Also, this is obviously from someone who has never been around the particularly piquant tang that is the smell of burning peat, lol. No such thing as clean coal, and there SURE is no such thing as clean peat!
Regarding hemp oil vs hemp fibre, a typo when I changed my wording. It happens.
And regarding this:
I would answer that this does nothing to combat the overall pollutant factor, especially for particulate matter: ergo, the stuff that causes black lung and a million other respiratory ailments. Hemp oil requires 1/10th the energy/refining of processed fossil fuels, so any losses in refining are more than made up for, and many diesel engines can be easily converted to run on hemp fuel. Also, this is obviously from someone who has never been around the particularly piquant tang that is the smell of burning peat, lol. No such thing as clean coal, and there SURE is no such thing as clean peat!
What music glorifies smoking herb? It started in the 60s & 70s with psychedelic music over 40 years ago.
I do. Just last night about everybody at my gig was drinking in the parking lot. (though I know someone was smoking herb on the smoking patio).
But like I said before, stupid is as stupid does. I used to blaze it in my car all the time when I was living with my parents. I certainly couldnt do it at home, and I wanted to ease the stress of my workday so Id smoke on the way home. Probably not the best idea, but it never created a problem. These days I have my own place, so I dont need to smoke out in public, though I still do, like last night at my gig, in the car, in the parking lot (and on the smoking patio).
Youre welcome America.
Uh, but where does the one ounce come from?
The herbal pharmacy, the guy down the street, or my backyard. (or did you mean 'Who decided the amount would be an ounce and why?')
What is it you find so illogical?
Under current state law its already legal to grow your own, up to 12 plants, if you have your med card (which can be obtained for $65).
I still see it as very contradictory that weed is illegal when other medicinal herbs are not. And have you heard of salvia? MUCH stronger intoxicating effect than weed, but it is legal. Coffee is a stimulant which has millions physically addicted to it, tobacco too.
Not to mention the wasted money, Oh the wasted money. (as China buys our debts...)
Not to mention the wasted money, Oh the wasted money. (as China buys our debts...)
Really? I'm wired just the opposite: If I smoke pot, BAM! me so horny!
In fact, after smoking pot pretty regularly throughout my entire teenage years and intermittantly throughout my 20s, somewhere around my early 30s I basically stopped indulging, because every time I got stoned I would get
A) sleepy,
B) stupid, &
C) horny
...and there just aren't a whole lot of things an adult can do when they're simultaneously sleepy, stupid, & horny.
Supposedly one of the strongest hallucinogens out there, but only lasts for about 10-15 min, but you need to get it just right to work properly, and it's different for a lot of people.
I tried it once with the 5x extract about a year ago but not much happened besides for feeling really relaxed and heavy, and felt like my face was stretched out (it was a pleasant feeling, though). Nothing major happened to 2 other friends either, but 1 other friend started bugging out and spinning around the room with his arms spread out for about 5 minutes. He later told us it felt like there were people on his head spinning a giant thread that was rising out of it, and he had to spin the other way to untangle it. What was interesting was that he was the most experienced out of all of us with the psychedelics, but he said it's the worst trip he had ever had, despite how short it was.
I would be willing to try it again if I can get my hands on some...
I haven't had the opportunity to try it for myself (although I ordered some recently, but there was a shipping mix-up; hopefully will get here soon), but from what I've read, DO NOT TRY IT IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR EFFECTS AKIN TO THAT OF WEED! It has the power to totally disassociate one from reality.
I read a trip report of it a couple days ago (although this was a very strong extract; either 40x or 80x, can't remember which) where the person literally percieved themself split up into individual atoms that each formed into different lives, and they lived hundreds of different lives as various objects with increasing degrees of autonomy until they finally reached their human life, which was when they came down. And all of that lasted 8 minutes in reality.
Of course, that's a very extreme scenario--you're not going to live hundreds of lives in a 10 minute window--but it seems as though getting blasted into a reality totally seperate from the one we know is not in the least bit uncommon with salvia.
