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Certainbass "Svelte Bass" Kickstarter

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I'm not convinced this is a functional prototype. I'm not sure you can actually tune it. The tuners look like they are probably bound in place by the headstock. That D string isn't in the best of shape, either.

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I'm not convinced this is a functional prototype. I'm not sure you can actually tune it. The tuners look like they are probably bound in place by the headstock. That D string isn't in the best of shape, either.

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It looks like he used Sperzel locking tuners, but maybe not the bass version.

In any case, the E and A tuners have a washer to allow the undersized bushings to secure the tuner properly in the vintage-drilled holes.

The D and G didn't require a washer because the holes were drilled the correct size from the beginning.

If it were me, I'd have used washers on the D and G to ensure symmetry, or MUCH more likely, I would have used tuning machines designed specifically for bass.

;)
 
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It looks like he used Sperzel locking tuners, but maybe not the bass version.

In any case, the E and A tuners have a washer to allow the undersized bushings to secure the tuner properly in the vintage-drilled holes.

The D and G didn't require a washer because the holes were drilled the correct from the beginning.

If it were me, I'd have used washers on the D and G to ensure symmetry, or MUCH more likely, I would have used tuning machines designed specifically for bass.

;)
Those are bass Sperzels, the guitar version has much smaller keys
 
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Those are bass Sperzels, the guitar version has much smaller keys
Makes sense, I just couldn't tell for sure with the pics I could find.

I wonder if Sperzel makes a conversion bushing for those.

As far as the controls go, I think using a Jaguar-style upper bout controls would look more elegant with no loss of the desired functionality:

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I think if you review all the comments on Talkbass about him, as I have, you'll find that there are as many or more positive comments about him as there are negative. He even puts them up on his website: http://certainbass.com/reviews_talkbass.html

FWIW, and to provide a little balance, David built me a Jazz with ash body, maple board, his special design and ever-so-functional varitone, and a flip-flop metallic orange finish.

Badass. One of the nicest basses in my sizable collection. My bandmates just about cream themselves when they hear it.

David has no shortage in the stones department, he's a pretty confident and experienced dude, and that rubs some folks the wrong way. As with so many things on TB, he got razzed rather unfairly here IMO, probably more from the mob mentality taunting than anything he did wrong (here on TB? never...), and he lashed back. So yeah, you'll see some hateful and defensive posturing. I'm not sure he even logs in anymore. Our loss. If you're a straight shooter and know what the hell you're talking about, it's not hard to build a rapport with him that pays off in spades when he goes to build you a bass.

As for the new design, it's great to see him stretching out beyond his impressive Fender clones. I wish him all the best with it.
 
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Here's the PM in question from David Certain. There were several but this is the one I reported. It all started with me asking for some clarification on something he said in the thread. I wasn't being hostile or anything but he must have taken it that way. He chose not to answer in the thread but instead by PM.


well, i know you guys buy a lot of basses, but i like selling to those who actually play them. the average TalkBass pos(t)er and "supporting member" will have extensive lists of gear, but i never see anyone notable they've played with. never. at least the pos(t)ers on the certainbass threads. i asked them to post some audio, video or just a bio, and nothing. why? because there is nothing. emperors with no clothes. myself as well as most of the posters on the thread said "hey, don't you guys know you're naked?"

what the hell is this? (from your profile)
Gigs, Bands, & Ensembles:
Tinnitus, occasionally Sticks and Stones

this is a bio that screams "i'm a nobody". totally un-Google-able. you are obviously not qualified to have an informed opinion on anything bass. you certainly haven't the background to have a valid opinion about me.

my ONLY problem is to figure out how we're going to make all these basses especially in light of my touring schedule. everytime there's a talkbass thread, the orders go crazy. i've been sitting all day, and all weekend, writing quotes. that's why i can be on the computer to monitor the next BS that will come upon the thread.

put all the energy into it you want: you can't touch me, you can't hurt me. you guys are like swatting flies. and totally irrelevant to the greater scheme of things.

get a life. go to New York, see what you're made of. ya' scared? you should be. your career is on TalkBass.

now, go away, little boy

I was ready for this thread to get good, but I had no idea it would get this good!!!
:)

I take back my wishing him well. Anyone who could possibly write something like that is someone I would never EVER want to have any dealings with. I initially wished him well, but I take that back. I don't wish him harm, but I don't wish success on people who have no respect for others, especially their potential customers.

Hey David. I live in NY. I've played with lots of people. Some of them you may have even heard of. Search me out anytime you'd like. I've been a member of talkbass since it's early days. I don't want to and have no desire to hurt you, but if I and other talkbassers had nicer feelings towards you ohhhhhh how wonderful things could be for you and your bass building business. Do a search for "beat buddy" and look into David Packouz's attitude towards the people at talkbass. I believe it served him really well.

Oh whell... only thing this thread has made me CERTAIN of is that I would never buy one of his basses. Funny how easy a name to remember that is.

The power of talkbass... somebody may soon need to buy another fly swatter.
 
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I was ready for this thread to get good, but I had no idea it would get this good!!!
:)

I take back my wishing him well. Anyone who could possibly write something like that is someone I would never EVER want to have any dealings with. I initially wished him well, but I take that back. I don't wish him harm, but I don't wish success on people who have no respect for others, especially their potential customers.

Hey David. I live in NY. I've played with lots of people. Some of them you may have even heard of. Search me out anytime you'd like. I've been a member of talkbass since it's early days. I don't want to and have no desire to hurt you, but if I and other talkbassers had nicer feelings towards you ohhhhhh how wonderful things could be for you and your bass building business. Do a search for "beat buddy" and look into David's attitude towards the people at talkbass. I believe it served him really well.

Oh whell... only thing this thread has made me CERTAIN of is that I would never buy one of his basses. Funny how easy a name to remember that is.

The power of talkbass... somebody may soon need to buy another fly swatter.
You should whoop him in a bass-off, then tell him to keep his bass
 
Well, I don't see me buying one of these, but I was curious about one thing. The pink proto has a conventional bridge with tuners on the headstock, and the raw wood proto had tuners at the bridge. (Pic didn't show the entire neck.) With a downsized body, I guess the only way to get it to balance well would be making the body thicker, or going headless. (Edit: the room light tricked my eye about the color. The conventional is blonde, not pink.)

I've got no dog in this fight, but maybe the reason he's looking to raise $25K is for the wood inventory, not just the machinery. There was something about fancy woods in the kickstarter copy.
 
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The Kickstarter is to fund 20 basses for him to keep, sell, or give away to third party endorsers.
CertainBass Kickstarter said:
[...] In addition to the basses I'm making to satisfy the rewards I'm offering, I want to make 20 basses. I need to raise the money to pay for CNC programming, that's what's been holding me back, it's a major expense, a one time charge, then we just pay per piece after that. [...] I subcontract (outsource) the manufacturing of my necks to my specs. [...] subcontracting saves me the time so I can [...] produce 20 to 50 fine basses in three to six months [...] So to recap, it's 3 basses for me to use in presentations, 12 basses available for sale and 5 to endorsers for which we are most humbled and grateful. That's 20 basses you're funding [...]

Like I said...ambitious.
 
I was ready for this thread to get good, but I had no idea it would get this good!!!
:)

I take back my wishing him well. Anyone who could possibly write something like that is someone I would never EVER want to have any dealings with. I initially wished him well, but I take that back. I don't wish him harm, but I don't wish success on people who have no respect for others, especially their potential customers.

Hey David. I live in NY. I've played with lots of people. Some of them you may have even heard of. Search me out anytime you'd like. I've been a member of talkbass since it's early days. I don't want to and have no desire to hurt you, but if I and other talkbassers had nicer feelings towards you ohhhhhh how wonderful things could be for you and your bass building business. Do a search for "beat buddy" and look into David Packouz's attitude towards the people at talkbass. I believe it served him really well.

Oh whell... only thing this thread has made me CERTAIN of is that I would never buy one of his basses. Funny how easy a name to remember that is.

The power of talkbass... somebody may soon need to buy another fly swatter.

i will do this to read more delicious drama
 
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