Cheap 12 cabs

[scottfeldstein]

Hey, you guys. Remember that little aluminum Gallien-Krueger 112MBX cab I mentioned in the OP? The one I paid $138 dollars for? I just saw one go on Ebay for $460! Granted, that included free shipping, but still!

I gotta sell that cab. Now between my Ashdown and my Peavey I feel like I need one more cheap 12 in my life to be complete. Maybe a different Ashdown? Or the same Peavey I have?

 

[scottfeldstein]

Woops! I just impulse bought a used Eden EX112 off GC for $150 plus $28 shipping. I'm sure it can hang well with either the Peavey or the Ashdown. Then I can take the GK and sell it on Ebay stat!

 

[delta7fred]

One day I'll invest in a pair of Fear-based 12s and stop all this messing about.

Start with one and plenty of watts, it might be all you require.

 

[scottfeldstein]

Start with one and plenty of watts, it might be all you require.

You could be right about that. I bet in 9 out of 10 of my gigs I would be more than happy with just one. But it's not only that 1 out of 10 edge case I'm worried about. I like having more than one cab because it means I have to move them less. I can have one in the pit for a musical I'm rehearsing for and one in the studio where the band practices... I love being able to drop a cab somewhere and have it stay there, sometimes for weeks, until I need it somewhere else.

 

[delta7fred]

I like having more than one cab because it means I have to move them less. I can have one in the pit for a musical I'm rehearsing for and one in the studio where the band practices... I love being able to drop a cab somewhere and have it stay there, sometimes for weeks, until I need it somewhere else.

I can't argue with that.

The only time I schlep a cab is to gigs, for rehearsals I plug straight into the PA.

 

[scottfeldstein]

By the way, does anyone have an idea or a guess as to why the GK 112 MBX would be going for over $400 on Ebay? It's not the first one I've seen there with a sky-high price. They're $329 new and I got my used one for under $138. What gives?

 

[scottfeldstein]

When my Eden arrives I'm gonna have me a shootout. A cabout. Something like that. I now own: two GK Neo 115-III cabs; an Ashdown VS-112, the kind with the retro oxblood fabric over the speaker; a Peavey Headliner 112; a GK 112MBX, the itty bitty one that's an aluminum enclosure; and now an Eden EX112.
Yes. I have six 8 Ohm speaker cabs. Or will have by the end of the week. I figure I will probably keep three of them. One thing to consider is the power handling.

GK 12 100w
Ashdown 150w
Eden 300w
Peavey 400w
GK 15 500w

I know these numbers are one part science, two parts marketing, and three parts science fiction. But I know one thing: I would not pair the GK 12 or even the Ashdown with the Peavey. Not if I intended to use the volume knob.

I'm thinking that I'll sell the GK 15s (don't love how they sound and I don't like carrying big cabs like that anymore). I'll sell the GK 12 (it can't produce any usable volume, can it? I've never used it). I'll pair the Eden with the Peavey for band gigs and keep the Ashdown as a second location cab, like my apartment or the pit at a musical.

But everything depends on my shootout results. Perhaps next weekend I can post results.

 

[agedhorse]

By the way, does anyone have an idea or a guess as to why the GK 112 MBX would be going for over $400 on Ebay? It's not the first one I've seen there with a sky-high price. They're $329 new and I got my used one for under $138. What gives?

I've gone to industrial auctions where a $200 water heater sold used for $300 because somebody had no idea of reality.

Here's an idea... rather than buying a pile of used cabinets that really aren't all that suitable to your needs and just buy one or two really good cabinets and be done with it?

 

[AudioTaper]

I like the shootout idea, but if I were in your shoes I would pick my favorite and sell off everything else. Take those funds and get another of the same or a good complimentary cabinet.

 

[Downunderwonder]

By the way, does anyone have an idea or a guess as to why the GK 112 MBX would be going for over $400 on Ebay? It's not the first one I've seen there with a sky-high price. They're $329 new and I got my used one for under $138. What gives?

Alaska.

 

[scottfeldstein]

if I were in your shoes I would pick my favorite and sell off everything else.

That may be the way things go. Find the one I like and get one or two more like it. But in the end, these are all stop-gap measures. I know already that none of these are going to be my cabs in a few years time. As soon as I am a little more flush I'm going to have some Fearless 12/6 cabs built for me and that's going to be the end of it. This is just a question of what i'm going to be using until then.

 

[stefaniw80401]

@scottfeldstein OMG 6 year old unfinished thread! Ya left us all hanging on your six-way 112 cab shootout. How did it shake out?

 

[Rip Van Dan]

Hey, folks. I haven't visited these forums in a while. But I had to come back to ask about this. About a year ago I picked up a GK 112 MBX bass cab. The teeny tiny aluminum one that's barely bigger than the 12" driver it holds. Weighs sixteen pounds. I figured maybe it would be good for practicing in my small apartment. Here's the important point: I paid $134.18 for it used from GC.

I recently lent it to a friend for a coffee house gig along with my Ampeg PF-500. We'll see how that works out. It got me wondering again about how useful such a small cab can be. I searched online and to my shock I see that this same cab is being sold, new, for $329. I couldn't find another used one, but I did see an Ashdown VS-112 for $125.99 so I bought it. Maybe it'll be selling for more a year from now.

12 cabs aren't usually found cheap! You'll notice that they're almost always more expensive on the used market than 15s or even 210s. I guess they're the hot items right now. Aging players are finding the sweet spot between performance and weight, maybe? Anyway, I'll soon find out what value that old Ashdown has.

One day I'll invest in a pair of Fear-based 12s and stop all this messing about.

I see this old thread opened up and can't believe I didn't put in my 2¢ before. I have two of the Eden EX-112 cabs. I was only going to get one so got it in 4Ω to use at small venues that wouldn't let me bring in my DNS-410 (by DNA). The first night I played through it, it sounded so good that I immediately ordered another. They are light cabs using a Neo speaker and weighing in at just 30-lbs. The handle is along the top back border of the cab and is easy to pick up and carry with one hand. They are super compact and, although I didn't have an amp that would do 2Ω, my big 800-watt Eden amp has two discrete power channels with each putting out up to 400-watts rms into 4Ω.

Price new on these EX-112 4Ω cabs was $269 each. Used prices are lower. Eden's top of the line D112XST is over $600 more expensive and although it does sound better, it doesn't sound $600 better. I was amazed at the sound from this compact 112.

For almost two years I used the 2x112 run my my Eden WT500/800 amp and got a lot of compliments on my sound. The bulk of our gigs were in medium-sized venues so I ended up using that set up for most gigs. Then in late 2019 I was accepted to the DNA Endorsing Artist group and bought a DNS-210 cab with my artist discount. I ended up using that DNS-210 for all of my indoor venues because it handles 700-watts rms and gets incredibly loud. Still use my DNS-410 for outdoor venues and Music Festivals. I do still use one of my EX-112 4Ω cabs for small venues and drive it with an Eden TN-226 (225-watts into 4Ω) because it sounds so good and I can carry my amp in its shoulder bag over one shoulder, my gig bag over the other, grab the cab with one hand and my bass with my other hand and carry it all in or out in one trip. And it sounds great and just as warm as my WT500/800 amp.

This rig also fits very easily into a chair as you can see below:

Those EX-112 cabs are so compact that my big Eden amp in its rack hangs over both sides, even when I have them turned on their side to line up the ports:

 

[Pontiac Thrasher]

I have a substantial inheritance coming my way one of these days. It'll be new car, new condo, new bass, and a pair of new Fearless 12/6 cabs.

Right now you'd be better off to split it between gold, silver, and platinum and store it in a professionally run hole in the ground in Texas for the next 3 years or so, it may quadruple or even better in value that fast. Then sell it all.

Silver was recently added to the Pentagons list of strategic metals... the world is a peaceful place, but one never knows...

Industry has consummed more silver in the last three years than was mined in the last three years...

Then buy three condos side by side, and you be in charge of your neighbors so that you can play your bass at home without issues : )

THEN BUY MESA SUBWAY GEAR!

In the meantime pick up a new or used Subway 112, or Subway 115 : )

I am serious, it will lead to this:

 

[AudioTaper]

I love when old threads come back around.

I see this old thread opened up and can't believe I didn't put in my 2¢ before. I have two of the Eden EX-112 cabs. I was only going to get one so got it in 4Ω to use at small venues that wouldn't let me bring in my DNS-410 (by DNA). The first night I played through it, it sounded so good that I immediately ordered another. They are light cabs using a Neo speaker and weighing in at just 30-lbs. The handle is along the top back border of the cab and is easy to pick up and carry with one hand. They are super compact and, although I didn't have an amp that would do 2Ω, my big 800-watt Eden amp has two discrete power channels with each putting out up to 400-watts rms into 4Ω.

Price new on these EX-112 4Ω cabs was $269 each. Used prices are lower. Eden's top of the line D112XST is over $600 more expensive and although it does sound better, it doesn't sound $600 better. I was amazed at the sound from this compact 112.

For almost two years I used the 2x112 run my my Eden WT500/800 amp and got a lot of compliments on my sound. The bulk of our gigs were in medium-sized venues so I ended up using that set up for most gigs. Then in late 2019 I was accepted to the DNA Endorsing Artist group and bought a DNS-210 cab with my artist discount. I ended up using that DNS-210 for all of my indoor venues because it handles 700-watts rms and gets incredibly loud. Still use my DNS-410 for outdoor venues and Music Festivals. I do still use one of my EX-112 4Ω cabs for small venues and drive it with an Eden TN-226 (225-watts into 4Ω) because it sounds so good and I can carry my amp in its shoulder bag over one shoulder, my gig bag over the other, grab the cab with one hand and my bass with my other hand and carry it all in or out in one trip. And it sounds great and just as warm as my WT500/800 amp.

This rig also fits very easily into a chair as you can see below:

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Those EX-112 cabs are so compact that my big Eden amp in its rack hangs over both sides, even when I have them turned on their side to line up the ports:

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Those Eden D112XST-8 are really nice, and better in pairs.

 

[Clark W]

If I was in the market for a pair of 12/6 cabs, or a 4 stack , I think this would be it.

Avatar SB 126

 

[stefaniw80401]

.TLDR. tossup between Peavey Headliner 112, Eden EX112, Avatar SB112 or Avatar SB126. Which should I go for?

I have a pair of SVT210AV cabs since 2020 ... I've not quite been able to get the lower thicker juicier freq content of my bass tone(s) with this rig ... so rather than add on to these SVT cabs, I've been researching 1x12 cabs for more than a week now, to replace my SVT210's altogether. Thank God for AI which has helped summarize all these TB and basschat threads. Have yall noticed that a lot of 1x12 bass cabs have come and gone in the last 15 years? presumably due to advances in cab design and materials, and speaker designs. Some are still desirable such as the Traynor TC112, Peavey Headliner 112, Eden EX112 and Avatar SB112 to name but a few. The latter of which has been superseded but the SB126 in the same box. In fact the only bass cabs Avatar offers these days are the SB126 and the B410.

Now my SVT210AV's are decent when used together, either horiz or vert stack, but for what I do (function cover dance bands) I rarely can go with just one of them. But it's nice that I don't have to lug a 4x10 cab, and the vert/horiz stack option is handy right? Also thru my research, that's not to say that there is a good 112 single cab solution either for most gigs, I've also learned that some of the 112's could quite possibly be better than a single 210 -- like the Avatar SB126 f9r example.

Before I bought the SVT210AV pair, I've been rocking a Traynor SB112 combo that totally kills. To my surprise over the years, I've done some of my gigs with just the one Traynor SB112 combo, but I also like playing with different heads in my collection, thus why the SVT210AV cabs came along. The Traynor SB112 combo is a nice box. It sounds good, with a bit more bottom extension than the SVT210 cabs. Alas, Traynor doesn't make just the SB112 cabs -- other than their now discontinued Traynor TC112 bass cab. I could just buy another Traynor SB112 combo and split my signal between them, but then I can't use my head collection.

I've whittled it down to the Peavey Headliner 112, Eden EX112, Avatar SB112 or Avatar SB126 cabs. The latter of which offers a Deltalite neo option that gets mixed reviews compared to the ceramic 12LF standard option.

So I found a used Avatar ratfur SB126 with the word "neodym" written on the jack plate. I also found a used Avatar ratfur SB112 (premably 12LF) cab. I was thinking about buying them both for a nice stack SB112/SB126 rig of doom, but I'm not sure about mixing the ceramic/neo boxes as the sensitivities and other specs are a little different.

I'd love to find a pair of either the Peavey HL 112 or Eden EX112 cabs, but those'll prolly not materialize any time soon.

Any advice is appreciated.

 

[Pontiac Thrasher]

.TLDR. tossup between Peavey Headliner 112, Eden EX112, Avatar SB112 or Avatar SB126. Which should I go for?

I have a pair of SVT210AV cabs since 2020 ... I've not quite been able to get the lower thicker juicier freq content of my bass tone(s) with this rig ... so rather than add on to these SVT cabs, I've been researching 1x12 cabs for more than a week now, to replace my SVT210's altogether. Thank God for AI which has helped summarize all these TB and basschat threads. Have yall noticed that a lot of 1x12 bass cabs have come and gone in the last 15 years? presumably due to advances in cab design and materials, and speaker designs. Some are still desirable such as the Traynor TC112, Peavey Headliner 112, Eden EX112 and Avatar SB112 to name but a few. The latter of which has been superseded but the SB126 in the same box. In fact the only bass cabs Avatar offers these days are the SB126 and the B410.

Now my SVT210AV's are decent when used together, either horiz or vert stack, but for what I do (function cover dance bands) I rarely can go with just one of them. But it's nice that I don't have to lug a 4x10 cab, and the vert/horiz stack option is handy right? Also thru my research, that's not to say that there is a good 112 single cab solution either for most gigs, I've also learned that some of the 112's could quite possibly be better than a single 210 -- like the Avatar SB126 f9r example.

Before I bought the SVT210AV pair, I've been rocking a Traynor SB112 combo that totally kills. To my surprise over the years, I've done some of my gigs with just the one Traynor SB112 combo, but I also like playing with different heads in my collection, thus why the SVT210AV cabs came along. The Traynor SB112 combo is a nice box. It sounds good, with a bit more bottom extension than the SVT210 cabs. Alas, Traynor doesn't make just the SB112 cabs -- other than their now discontinued Traynor TC112 bass cab. I could just buy another Traynor SB112 combo and split my signal between them, but then I can't use my head collection.

I've whittled it down to the Peavey Headliner 112, Eden EX112, Avatar SB112 or Avatar SB126 cabs. The latter of which offers a Deltalite neo option that gets mixed reviews compared to the ceramic 12LF standard option.

So I found a used Avatar ratfur SB126 with the word "neodym" written on the jack plate. I also found a used Avatar ratfur SB112 (premably 12LF) cab. I was thinking about buying them both for a nice stack SB112/SB126 rig of doom, but I'm not sure about mixing the ceramic/neo boxes as the sensitivities and other specs are a little different.

I'd love to find a pair of either the Peavey HL 112 or Eden EX112 cabs, but those'll prolly not materialize any time soon.

Any advice is appreciated.

Could the Mesa Subway 115 possibly work? Maybe not but you owe it to yourself to rule it out. They have a SW112 as well but it is probably not the sound you are going for.

: )

 

[stefaniw80401]

Could the Mesa Subway 115 possibly work? Maybe not but you owe it to yourself to rule it out. They have a SW112 as well but it is probably not the sound you are going for.

: )

The SW115 is awesome. I played on it at GC two weeks ago. It's a bit rich for my blood, but I loved it. Looking to stay under $500 per cabinet.

Here's a sample of my bass tone that I go for. This track was recorded via the JDI on my tone board. Live, I tap off the JDI thru output to any one of my amp heads into my cab(s). It sounds great in my Traynor SB112 -- beefy and juicy. Also is decent in my 2x SVT210AV rig with a fair bit of low EQ, and a small cut in the hi-mids. I also strip off the sub-bass with my HPF or else I'll blow the SVT speakers. I always use the HPF no matter what rig I use -- and especially if when FOH soundmen go crazy with their subs ... I don't want my bass to be boomy and dominant in the subs. And as you can here from my track below, i don't have any clank in my tone, so that eliminated the GK neo 112. That was the only cab I tried for less than a minute when I was at GC!

 

[agedhorse]

I would disregard everything you learned from AI, it’s very, very inaccurate.

The cabinets in your list are fairly night and day different in terms of performance.

For example, the Headliner is only 200 watts RMS whereas most of the others are considerably higher. What amp(s) do you intend to use with the cabinet.

Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the deltalite 2512, it’s a MUCH better driver than what’s used in the Headliner, and some of the others too.