Chris Henry died.

[Jeff K]

You are correct sir(and no I'm not being sarcastic).

Nor was I.

I almost added another thought, but didn't. That is, that even some convicted felons are not what I'd consider to be dangerous criminals whose lives should be forever ruined because of the "felon" label. I'm talking about non-violent crimes. Example: The young man who gets caught growing pot. All of a sudden he is "a felon", and has a hard time finding a good job for the rest of his life. Probably wouldn't even be prosecuted in some states, but had the misfortune of committing his "crime" in a state with tougher laws. Sometimes life sucks and isn't fair. (And this is coming from a guy who worked in law enforcement most of his life.)

That being said, I don't see anything worth trying to redeem for certain crimes/criminals. Case in point: The group over in Eastern Tennessee who kidnapped, raped, tortured, and murdered the young couple because they wanted their vehicle. Although the media doesn't really discuss it, the torture was absolutely horrendous. It's hard to fathom that human beings could do some of the things that they did to those poor kids. I have no sympathy for people capable of doing those things.

I realize that this is WAY off point from the Chris Henry discussion. Sorry...

 

[ProfGumby]

All I am gonna say is it is sad that he died, he left behind 3 kids. There are many who knew and loved him. I only really found out who Chris was from the news reports, but it is still sad.


And, a bad apple? There is always hope for everyone...

 

[nutso42]

For the poll, I went with "Full of Needless Bickering With No Resolve". That's because I use the Stereotype thread frequently.

And I've never heard of Chris Henry. Sorry.

 

[Truktek2]

And, a bad apple? There is always hope for everyone...

You might want to tell that to the relatives of the victims of Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer.

 

[kserg]

This thread is sad on so many levels.

 

[Holy War]

Food for thought: In our late teens/early 20's, my brother was known as a guy that said what was on his mind without a filter. It was really funny at times and a lot of my group used to think he was awesome for "telling it like it is" or "keeping it real" or whatever. Those same qualities that got him labeled "brutally honest" earned him the "*******" label a few years later.

He justified it by saying people didn't want to hear the truth or whatever, but the impression was the same. Many, many, many times in life, knowing when and how to say something determines how much weight what you say is given.

Mike

I agree with that. But if speaking my opinion labels me an "*******" then so be it. As an American I have that right and also know that lots of people agree with me. People in this thread agree with me and people who have not posted in the thread have been sending me PMs since the thread started encouraging me and agreeing with me.

Now I do agree that you have to know when and where to speak your mind, but if you never do it, then youre just a coward in my eyes who follows along society like a sheep. Thats a big part of the rason the world is such a PC cesspool these days.

 

[mike_v_s]

I agree with that. But if speaking my opinion labels me an "*******" then so be it. As an American I have that right and also know that lots of people agree with me. People in this thread agree with me and people who have not posted in the thread have been sending me PMs since the thread started encouraging me and agreeing with me.

Now I do agree that you have to know when and where to speak your mind, but if you never do it, then youre just a coward in my eyes who follows along society like a sheep. Thats a big part of the rason the world is such a PC cesspool these days.

At no point did I say you should never do it, but not doing it in this thread wouldn't make you a coward, it would make you tactful.

Does the amount of support you've received validate your position? I'm not sure it does. Hell, I was once PM'd the Nobel Prize For Awesome. But it seems that's your inclination. That's surprising, because I'm betting the PC cesspool you lament was put in place by popular demand.

My bottom line is that you're entitiled to think whatever the hell you want. You're also entitle to say whatever the hell you want. Just remember that doing so isn't always the right/smart/cool thing to do.

Mike

 

[Holy War]

At no point did I say you should never do it, but not doing it in this thread wouldn't make you a coward, it would make you tactful.

Does the amount of support you've received validate your position? I'm not sure it does. Hell, I was once PM'd the Nobel Prize For Awesome. But it seems that's your inclination. That's surprising, because I'm betting the PC cesspool you lament was put in place by popular demand.

My bottom line is that you're entitiled to think whatever the hell you want. You're also entitle to say whatever the hell you want. Just remember that doing so isn't always the right/smart/cool thing to do.

Mike

Does the amount youve received validate yours?

Just because something is popular doesnt make it right.

Who decides whats right, smart, and cool?

Having said all that, I get what youre saying.

 

[Eric Perry]

...but hay, i guess we made you.

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[Truktek2]

Wow, only on TB do so many people attack those that seemingly try to do the right thing, and yet come to the defense of a common sociopath. Sad. Really.

 

[kserg]

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mmmm, hay..... hey?

 

[Holy War]

Wow, only on TB do so many people attack those that seemingly try to do the right thing, and yet come to the defense of a common sociopath. Sad. Really.

Tell me about it.

But Ill say it again, I dont hate or judge anyone on here because of this thread. Conversations like these is what makes life interesting.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

We each get to decide for ourselves.



I've seen nothing in life that leads me to believe fairness or consistency have any real place in real life. They're nice pretty ideas that really don't jibe with reality.

Life isn't fair, never has been fair, and never will be fair - and the sooner people resign themselves to that reality and deal with it, the more successful their lives will be.

My feeling is that you don't really believe what you posted. I suspect you have been in situations where you both expected fairness or consistency, and you have demanded it.

I don't know any adult who doesn't understand that life is not fair, or who expects it to be fair. That has nothing to do with our values, and what we strive for in life, and our society.

I'm pretty sure that Martin Luther King and Ceasar Chavez did not say, "life's not fair,' and rolled over in the beds, going back to sleep.

 

[ProfGumby]

You might want to tell that to the relatives of the victims of Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer.

Well, if you want to go to extremes, let's toss in Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot.....BTW, I lived in Milwaukee when the whole Dahmer thing went down. That also was sick and sad.

Back on track, let me rephrase my statement. For most people, excluding homicidal maniacs, sociopaths and psychotics bent on Genocide, or those with delusions of taking over the world, there is always hope.

For Chris Henry and many others like him, there is always hope.

And I know Chris Henry is dead, but you get the point....

 

[mike_v_s]

Wow, only on TB do so many people attack those that seemingly try to do the right thing, and yet come to the defense of a common sociopath. Sad. Really.

In your scenario, who is "trying to do the right thing"? If it's me for the herculean effort of intoducing tact into this discussion, I thank you but don't feel I've been attacked by anyone, nor do I view Holy War as a sociopath.

Mike

 

[mike_v_s]

Does the amount youve received validate yours?

No. See below.

Just because something is popular doesnt make it right.

Exactly. That was my point. So posting about the number of PMs of support you've received carries little weight.

Who decides whats right, smart, and cool?

And with that, we've hung a left on Moral Relativism Ave. How committed to that premise are you?

Mike

 

[John Deacon]

First off, I know Jauqo is gonna hate this one. I completely agree with Holy War and everyone else that agreed with him.

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That would be an interesting thread and one that can probably teach a lot. But the way the perfect/never made a mistake in life tb members behave around here it wouldn't stay open long My only thing in regards to comments made about Chris Henry were that some here were so quick to put him down. And that made him such a bad human being.


Bull. Of course we all make mistakes. But to the magnitude that Chris Henry did? The way you talk, it's like clumping murder in with going 5 over the speed limit. That's just stupid. I hate the whole, "We all make mistakes", thing. That's just not an excuse at all. And no, us saying he was a bad human being didn't make him a bad human being, doing all the crap he did HIMSELF, made him a bad human being. It's not like we are making him out to be something he isn't. The guy was obviously scum. So what if he had a family? I feel bad for them for losing their dad, of course, but having a family shouldn't be a free pass to be an douchebag.

Holy War, you are the man. I had no idea you did all that work. It was of course a pleasure running into you today, haha.

 

[kserg]

Hmm, ok... I'll make it less personal but still think about this. A man died and some of us here just feed of it to boost their egos. Easily some of us could have just stayed out of it, as an decent person should do when something like this happens, but no, we had to come in here with this garbage, for what? To make you feel better about yourself? Imagine this now, in a little bit, this quiets down and his son will go on internet to check out some things about his dad, and he will see this, bunch of people calling his dad a scumbag and comparing the bad things his father did to murder. Good work guys. Way to go, I hope you guys feel oh so great about yourselves and things you've done. You are so much better then Chris Henry ever could be.

But to the magnitude that Chris Henry did? The way you talk, it's like clumping murder in with going 5 over the speed limit. That's just stupid.

Chris Henry is a murderer? News to me, please go on.


I will say it again - very lame and sick.

 

[Holy War]

Hmm, ok... I'll make it less personal but still think about this. A man died and some of us here just feed of it to boost their egos. Easily some of us could have just stayed out of it, as an decent person should do when something like this happens, but no, we had to come in here with this garbage, for what? To make you feel better about yourself? Imagine this now, in a little bit, this quiets down and his son will go on internet to check out some things about his dad, and he will see this, bunch of people calling his dad a scumbag and comparing the bad things his father did to murder. Good work guys. Way to go, I hope you guys feel oh so great about yourselves and things you've done. You are so much better then Chris Henry ever could be.




Chris Henry is a murderer? News to me, please go on.


I will say it again - very lame and sick.

 

[fo shizzle]

Hmm, ok... I'll make it less personal but still think about this. A man died and some of us here just feed of it to boost their egos. Easily some of us could have just stayed out of it, as an decent person should do when something like this happens, but no, we had to come in here with this garbage, for what? To make you feel better about yourself? Imagine this now, in a little bit, this quiets down and his son will go on internet to check out some things about his dad, and he will see this, bunch of people calling his dad a scumbag and comparing the bad things his father did to murder. Good work guys. Way to go, I hope you guys feel oh so great about yourselves and things you've done. You are so much better then Chris Henry ever could be.




Chris Henry is a murderer? News to me, please go on.


I will say it again - very lame and sick.

I hope that someone in his son's life will explain how truly useless discourse like this is and he'll ignore it.

I look back to page one of this remedial debate class and really want a do-over in ever being involved in it. It's like arguing the death penalty with someone consumed with bloodlust. The back and forth gets them off as much as the state killing someone.