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Club Alleva Coppolo (Part 11!)

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#281
diglo said:
Ok playa's thinking about giving the AC's another try. Rosewood board and alder body is my first choice. But, do you see a big difference between LG5 classic and RA5? Thanks!
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Calling KJung!! :)

(edit: I see I'm too late with my call. :D)

I think I recall Ken saying the RA is more like an LG than an LM, but has some of the grind and sizzle of the LM built in over the LG. The RA I played at NAMM seemed to have a pretty significant amount over an LG, but I didn't have much time with it, and that wasn't the greatest listening environment.

Truth be told, I'm just so damn happy with my LG I'm not sure I'd be looking to get another AC, but if I did want something with more of the 70's thing going on, I'd be seriously considering an RA vs the LM. With the maple board and 70's spacing, I'd think I'd get all the extra sizzle and grind I'd need, but yet still retain some extra fatness from the alder body, and, maybe even drop a little weight in the process and be easier to hang around the 9 pound mark rather than the 10 pound mark.

Anyway, IMHO.
 
#282
Vic said:
Calling KJung!! :)

I think I recall Ken saying the RA is more like an LG than an LM, but has some of the grind and sizzle of the LM built in over the LG. The RA I played at NAMM seemed to have a pretty significant amount over an LG, but I didn't have much time with it, and that wasn't the greatest listening environment.

Truth be told, I'm just so damn happy with my LG I'm not sure I'd be looking to get another AC, but if I did want something with more of the 70's thing going on, I'd be seriously considering an RA vs the LM. With the maple board and 70's spacing, I'd think I'd get all the extra sizzle and grind I'd need, but yet still retain some extra fatness from the alder body, and, maybe even drop a little weight in the process and be easier to hang around the 9 pound mark rather than the 10 pound mark.

Anyway, IMHO.
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The 'typist' strikes again:D

+1 to the above, except for the grind. To my ear:

LG... warm and growly..punchy with a sweet, organic top end

LM.... grindy and deep.... aggressive... big and upper mid in your face grind

RA... warm and sizzly.... smooth, warm with a hi fi top end... 'pretty sounding' versus either growly or aggressive grind.

I like/need either that LG growl or the LM grind, depending on the gig. The more polite warm low end and hi fi sizzly top end sounded great, but didn't really speak to me personally.
 
#283
KJung said:
The 'typist' strikes again:D

+1 to the above, except for the grind. To my ear:

LG... warm and growly..punchy

LM.... grindy and deep.... aggressive... big and upper mid in your face

RA... warm and sizzly.... smooth, warm with a hi fi top end

I need either that LG growl or the LM grind, depending on the gig. The more polite warm low end and hi fi sizzly top end sounded great, but didn't really speak to me personally.
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Yeah, ok, I think I can go with that... especially since you had LOTS more time in a MUCH better listening environment on this stuff.
 
#284
Vic said:
Yeah, ok, I think I can go with that... especially since you had LOTS more time in a MUCH better listening environment on this stuff.
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All three sound very different to me. Cool to have those options. I would think most would not associate the RA tone with the various 'classic' J tones that we all know and that many of us love... quite a bit different.. very nice, but different.... 'warm and sizzle' really kind of describes the vibe to me.... kind of a more 'non aggressive hi fi' J tone to my ear. I think that comes through nicely on the clip I put up, and other RA owners have posted that the clip is reasonably representative of what they hear with their RA's (at least with roundwounds).
 
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Hey guys. I'm not going to bother linking clips directly on this site (most of you have heard MORE than enough of me:D), but if anyone is interested, I will continue to add A-C clips with different rigs, etc. regularly. I added a link in my signature. I just posted up an LM5/AE410/F1 clip by request of a TBer.

Nice meaty but articulate (and very unforgiving:eek:) rig with that particular spec bass IMO!
 
#288
You'll hear early 70's bass's most often on albums from the early mid seventies.So I bet a lot of us have heard these tones with out really know what part of the whole possess made that texture.

Ex. 1973 Larry Grahm's Hair is a "RA". With Tapewound srings,,I have a set of GHS flats on mine right now and it gets silly close to that tone and I just giggle every time I play it!


KJung,,,,, I love the clips! I have a blast as you isolate different variables and talk about them,,I say keep them coming!

I think that last one,,,,while it is a tone that is pretty much last on my list of "classic tones" that I "must" have at my disposal. Is a great example of that ultra spanky fast speaking sparkle.



Aj
 
#289
Andrew Jones said:
You'll hear early 70's bass's most often on albums from the early mid seventies.So I bet a lot of us have heard these tones with out really know what part of the whole possess made that texture.

Ex. 1973 Larry Grahm's Hair is a "RA". With Tapewound srings,,I have a set of GHS flats on mine right now and it gets silly close to that tone and I just giggle every time I play it!


KJung,,,,, I love the clips I have a blast as you isolate different variables and talk about them,,I say keep them coming!



Aj
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:D one of these days.... I'll.... put.... some..... (it hurts, but...oh.... it burns.... well.....).... flats on the LG and record a clip:D
 
#290
KJung said:
Hey guys. I'm not going to bother linking clips directly on this site (most of you have heard MORE than enough of me:D), but if anyone is interested, I will continue to add A-C clips with different rigs, etc. regularly. I added a link in my signature. I just posted up an LM5/AE410/F1 clip by request of a TBer.

Nice meaty but articulate (and very unforgiving:eek:) rig with that particular spec bass IMO!
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Cool. I subscribed to you on youtube so I can see the new stuff as you do it. Thanks for doing this.
 
#291
Got a new (to me) KBP4. Awesome P sound.

Interesting thing is that I was probably one of the first people to ever play this bass, and now after at least 2 other owners, more marks on it and less cash, it comes back to me. :)
 
#293
Andrew Jones said:
Well I can't disagree with you on the broken in low riders on the LG it's been a couple of months now on mine and it is by by far my favorite combo.

Next time I'll try sunbeams because I'll be rocking a bass with high beams and the tension with be similar. I little more articulation friendly.



Aj
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I'll have to check out some Sun Beams also, since I like the feel of the Hi Beams so much on the LM. I bet the Sunbeams would be great on the LG, although the slightly tighter tension of the Lo Riders feels pretty good to me, even going back and forth between the two basses.

It is funny, since I do like that LM tone that you describe above (and it is an 'acquired taste +1 there... surely not for everyone!), but those old Lo Rider Nickels are just SPEAKING to me on the LG (that is a tone that probably COULD be for everyone IMO). The older they get, the better I like them on that bass!:bassist:

I'll tell you what... playing solo without a click with the F1/AE410/LM5 with steels will make a man out of you!!!! Scary unforgiving!
 
#295
peterpalmieri said:
BTW ^ On my LG5 I have a set of Alleva-Coppolo nickels, I didn't like them when they first went on the bass but they have become my favorites as they've broken in very nicely.
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Cool! There is something about broken in nickels and the way a 60's spec'd bass is voiced that is just wonderful. That treble 'ping' goes away (that is not really that pleasant to my ears), and you get more low mid growl and a nice 'organic brightness' in the upper mids. Perfect for, as my buddy Chef put it in another thread, just 'good old bass tone'.... like on so many pop and 'light rock/country rock' recordings back in the day, and even the modern country stuff today. IMO!
 
#296
KJung said:
Hey guys. I'm not going to bother linking clips directly on this site (most of you have heard MORE than enough of me:D), but if anyone is interested, I will continue to add A-C clips with different rigs, etc. regularly. I added a link in my signature. I just posted up an LM5/AE410/F1 clip by request of a TBer.

Nice meaty but articulate (and very unforgiving:eek:) rig with that particular spec bass IMO!
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+1

SERIOUS value with these.
Much appreciated.
 
#297
KJung said:
Cool! There is something about broken in nickels and the way a 60's spec'd bass is voiced that is just wonderful. That treble 'ping' goes away (that is not really that pleasant to my ears), and you get more low mid growl and a nice 'organic brightness' in the upper mids. Perfect for, as my buddy Chef put it in another thread', just 'good old bass tone'.... like on so many pop and 'light rock/country rock' recordings back in the day, and even the modern country stuff today. IMO!
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For years I used Ernie Ball Slinkys, which were one of the few sets readily available in the local music stores. I fell for the Lakland nickels with my JO4 but the 5 string set was a little wacky being designed for their 35" scale through body basses. Jimmy's strings are working well, I have no desire to hop on the string merry-go-round with nickels! Maybe it has to do with their age but they seem less bright then the Kjung LG5 clips, which I generally wouldn't describe as bright.
 
#298
peterpalmieri said:
Jimmy's strings are working well, I have no desire to hop on the string merry-go-round with nickels! Maybe it has to do with their age but they seem less bright then the Kjung LG5 clips, which I generally wouldn't describe as bright.
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I think part of the brightness of all my clips has to do with my rigs (which are chosen for being articulate, tight down low, and having a nice upper mid presence and treble extension) and also my particular attack and technique. My relatively light slap and fingerstyle touch tends to allow the string to 'not compress (or 'overvibrate'.. if that is a word!)', resulting in a bit more low end and a bit more open top end than I hear when some other players play my instruments.

Rigs, fingers, bass, strings... everything matters:) Also, a 'solo' recording will always sound a bit brighter than a recording in the mix.
 
#299
KJung said:
I think part of the brightness of all my clips has to do with my rigs (which are chosen for being articulate, tight down low, and having a nice upper mid presence and treble extension) and also my particular attack and technique. My relatively light slap and fingerstyle touch tends to allow the string to 'not compress (or 'overvibrate'.. if that is a word!)', resulting in a bit more low end and a bit more open top end than I hear when some other players play my instruments.

Rigs, fingers, bass, strings... everything matters:) Also, a 'solo' recording will always sound a bit brighter than a recording in the mix.
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Very true, at times I like to really dig in hard on an old set of nickels.
 
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