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Club Alleva-Coppolo (Part 12!!!)

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even though it could really be the wood and im talking out of my ass (wouldnt be the first time;)) im most curious to see what the resistance ratings are on the pickups on peter's two basses. if theyre wound different (even slight variation), it could be something as simple as a pickup swap that could get exactly what youre looking for out of both basses.
 
even though it could really be the wood and im talking out of my ass (wouldnt be the first time;)) im most curious to see what the resistance ratings are on the pickups on peter's two basses. if theyre wound different (even slight variation), it could be something as simple as a pickup swap that could get exactly what youre looking for out of both basses.
oooohhhh that's a GREAT idea!!
 
But that's just it... at least to me, Ken's sounds pretty much just like the one I had and the ones I played at NAMM. That's why I'm a little confused. Your description of a more tamed high end is not what I experienced across several basses that were, at least supposedly, the same spec. I would imagine this jibes with your previous experiences as well, hence your stated surprise.

the 70's 5 you ended up with has a more present air up high than any of the lm5's i played. it probably depends on your point of reference as well. if you're used to what a late 70's jazz sounds like up top and then play an lm5, the highs might seem tame. to most, theyd probably sound just right. hell, jimmy's own description of the highs on my bass was "glassy". thats usually not something that people use as compliment and i got the feeling he really wasnt into that.
 
But that's just it... at least to me, Ken's sounds pretty much just like the one I had and the ones I played at NAMM. That's why I'm a little confused. Your description of a more tamed high end is not what I experienced across several basses that were, at least supposedly, the same spec. I would imagine this jibes with your previous experiences as well, hence your stated surprise.

I have never played an LM prior to yesterday so my experiences are only bassed on late 70s basses and those modelled after them.
 
even though it could really be the wood and im talking out of my ass (wouldnt be the first time;)) im most curious to see what the resistance ratings are on the pickups on peter's two basses. if theyre wound different (even slight variation), it could be something as simple as a pickup swap that could get exactly what youre looking for out of both basses.

How do I take those readings? I'd like to do this over the weekend.

I am fairly certain the brightness I associate with my LG is attributed to the "Old Growth Hoduran" fingerboard.

In any case I really dig what my LM can do and even if a pickup swap would put me where I thought the bass would have been I'm not sure I want to go there just yet. Sometimes you find greatness by accident, time will tell if this is so. The true test will be when I can get some time in the band setting, unfortunately I have this weekend off.
 
How do I take those readings? I'd like to do this over the weekend.

I am fairly certain the brightness I associate with my LG is attributed to the "Old Growth Hoduran" fingerboard.

In any case I really dig what my LM can do and even if a pickup swap would put me where I thought the bass would have been I'm not sure I want to go there just yet. Sometimes you find greatness by accident, time will tell if this is so. The true test will be when I can get some time in the band setting, unfortunately I have this weekend off.

i disconnect the pickups from pots and test from the end of the leads. is the rosewood board bright acoustically? my 62 with its "warm" brazillian board was bright and thin plugged in with the stock neck pickup. after the swap its fatter and grindier.

one thing about the lm with the treble voiced lower is that itll cut better. it might really work for you in a live setting while not being era legit. im using that coil cable with the passive 78 for some more grit and to tame some of the super extended high end. theres a vid "one day" in my youtube link thats the 78 with the coil cable into the outboard coppolo with the bass and treble boosted. thats my personal 70's benchmark sound.
 
do you own multiple 70's style jazzes? i didnt want to be accused of shilling for another brand;)
Ahhh, ok. Actually, I do have a couple I currently own, but I wasn't referring to either of those anyway.

I was referring pretty specifically to other 70's "genre" AC basses. Only LM's and RA's I've previously played. Trying to at least keep it specific to a brand and not introduce a lot more vars here.
 
For what its worth, I found that the vintage bridge on the LM opened it up somewhat in the highs and upper mids for the obvious reasons. Might not turn it into a super sheened bass but it moved the spectrum. You dont get something for nothing though, the fundamental was slightly more focused with the brass Hipshot but it was still well focused. Right now I've been trying the Badass 5 and its a nice compromise tonally. For me its either the vintage bridge or the Badass for this ash/maple 70s bass..again thats just for me.

I've manipulated the tone of my ACs significantly through trial and error .. getting an optimum balance between pup height, bridge material and mass, string material and gauges, pole piece heights, and a few other things . I found every model needed a careful and focused period of getting all those factors to where I'm the most happy. This takes alot of time and a bit of $ for strings and bridges. This is just for me.

However, saying that, I believe Jimmy winds all 5 string pups the same- I could be wrong, but if he does then my strong guess is that they are wound for 60s optimum- could account for the slightly muted high end and different kind of sheen people are used to on ash/maple 70s basses. If its mostly in the pups then you will know when they are changed..if you want to.
 
^Did you modify the Badass so that it doesn't hang off the back of the body? Any issues on that? I'm assuming the holes line up for all three?

No I didnt modify it, I dont seem to have problems with that. The saddles have to be notched though.

EDIT: sorry forgot to answer the (w)hole question :) : Jimmy drilled extra holes on the outside so that a Badass could fit, so yes, all three fit on no problem. I didnt ask for that, it came like that already to my happy surprise.
 
^Did you modify the Badass so that it doesn't hang off the back of the body? Any issues on that? I'm assuming the holes line up for all three?

The BAV only looks like it hangs off the body in certain angles... It's definitely right there on the edge where the countour or rounded corner starts. But it doesn't hang off anywhere... And the holes should line up, at least with the ones Jimmy had.

One mod that Jimmy did for me was round off the top back corner of the bridge (by the B string) so that I don't hit my hand on a sharp corner.
 
Totally digging the LM5. The tone is just great, feel is perfect.

After some time I am realizing that while the top end may not be as sizzly up top as some other basses, it is just about perfect in every way. The top end is nice and sweet, the bass also sounds really nice in passive mode.

Now that I am done with all the nitpicking of a brand new bass I can just play and appreciate it for what is........Da Da Dot Dot Da I'm lovin' it!
 
when i was considering buying one of jimmys basses this was an issue i talked about with him regarding the lm's. i a/b'd basses with my 78 jazz and told him i was looking for a 70's style 5 that had the type of high end my fender did. i wanted pickups that had that sound to begin with rather than trying to dial it in with the pre because imo, adding the highs in with the pre starts sounding electronic or processed.

+1 I can honestly say that I've yet to touch the treble boost control on either my LG or LM in the years I've owned them. Both those basses sound reasonably 'period legit' to my ear (close enough in a mix anyway) in passive mode, and as you've heard in my clips, the only difference in active mode is the classic buffering effect you get with any active circuit (a bit more deep low end and a bit more sparkle way up high).

Seems like Jimmy revoiced the LM's quite a bit from the New York shop days based on Tom and Peter's comments. I guess that isn't good nor bad, but I like that very pronounced upper mid grind that, to me, defines the 70's sound. There still seems to be some confusion by some thinking that LG's somehow don't have treble extension. If anything, they can sound more 'sparkly' up top, since they don't have that strong upper mid grind that masks the top end sizzle a bit. However, dialing in an active treble control ain't gonna do it for most. Like you say, artificial and 'electronic' sounding. Again, the 70's thing to my ear is all about upper mid and lower treble grind, not pure upper treble sizzle.

As I've commented a zillion times before, the top end of my LG, if anything, has more pure upper treble sparkle than my LM... it's that brightness and grind in the LM's upper mid/lower treble that just kills in a more aggressive pop/funk setting.

That being said, I've played so many 70's J's, and they all sound quite different. I've played ones that sounded close to Marcus Miller's active tone in stock 'off the shelf' passive configuration, and I've played others that were quite dark, and had more mid punch and less grind.

Wood and its interaction with electronics is a funny thing and is quite hard to predict given spec only info.

That being said, Jimmy obviously changed his approach and spec and voicing on the LM's since mine was made in New York. I guess only the individual player can decide if that was a move in the positive direction.
 
The top end is nice and sweat, the bass also sounds really nice in passive mode.

Please tell me you mean "sweet"? :ninja:

By the way, if you use the full word form for "I'm" and "Lovin", then "I'm Lovin' It" is a palindrome for "Ailing Vomit". :eyebrow:

Glad you're diggin your bass though - the only two LM5s I played were both tone monster/booty machines. :bassist: I strongly suggest you try a BAV if you get a chance, it really does something for Jimmy's basses, specially for live playing. Just my opinion of course...
 
Here's my KBP-4 Classic. I finally got around to taking a couple of photos. I really love this thing very much and have no criticism whatsoever. It really nails that Pre-CBS P bass sound for me and it really sings. I've got it strung with D'Addario Chromes, I'm contemplating LaBella's. I'm really looking for the 60's Soul sound.

That's a beauty!!!! Love it!
 
Here's my KBP-4 Classic. I finally got around to taking a couple of photos. I really love this thing very much and have no criticism whatsoever. It really nails that Pre-CBS P bass sound for me and it really sings. I've got it strung with D'Addario Chromes, I'm contemplating LaBella's. I'm really looking for the 60's Soul sound. Any string suggestions?

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